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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8017479" data-attributes="member: 23751">He also has anger issues.&nbsp; We know both.&nbsp; What is the exact armor class based on &quot;The dragon is armored.&quot;?&nbsp; If you can't tell me, then it is also vague and you don't have all the information, just like when told about the baron's anger issues.High.It's not infinite.&nbsp; That's just silly.&nbsp; The dragon has a high armor class.&nbsp; The baron has a high anger class.&nbsp; We know both and can make informed decisions about those things.He can also just decide that you miss your swing.&nbsp; You only get to roll when the outcome is in doubt.&nbsp; You can declare your attack, then the DM narrates the outcome, calling for a roll if the outcome is uncertain(PHB page 7).Just by looking at them?No more than any other game where the DM is describing things.&nbsp; D&amp;D doesn't lend itself to that mistake any more or less than those others.&nbsp; It's a person mistake, not a system mistake.And every other game where a DM, or player for that matter, has to describe anything at all.Other come into effect at that point.&nbsp; The attempt was to jump the canyon, so the failure only = did not succeed in jumping over the canyon.&nbsp; However, since you are now suspended over air, the falling rules come into play. 5e doesn't have broken bones, though.&nbsp; There's no mechanism to even heal it.&nbsp; If you were to rule that the PC breaks his foot after a failed attempt to break down the door, are you going to just fix the foot after a night's rest?&nbsp; If not, how much time is it going to take?&nbsp; Wounds don't give penalties.&nbsp; Are you going to penalize the PC for the broken foot?&nbsp; He can't walk on it.&nbsp; He can't fight effectively with it.&nbsp; What's that penalty going to look like?It's pretty clear that the DM is stepping outside of the rules to break the foot.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8017479, member: 23751"] He also has anger issues. We know both. What is the exact armor class based on "The dragon is armored."? If you can't tell me, then it is also vague and you don't have all the information, just like when told about the baron's anger issues. High. It's not infinite. That's just silly. The dragon has a high armor class. The baron has a high anger class. We know both and can make informed decisions about those things. He can also just decide that you miss your swing. You only get to roll when the outcome is in doubt. You can declare your attack, then the DM narrates the outcome, calling for a roll if the outcome is uncertain(PHB page 7). Just by looking at them? No more than any other game where the DM is describing things. D&D doesn't lend itself to that mistake any more or less than those others. It's a person mistake, not a system mistake. And every other game where a DM, or player for that matter, has to describe anything at all. Other come into effect at that point. The attempt was to jump the canyon, so the failure only = did not succeed in jumping over the canyon. However, since you are now suspended over air, the falling rules come into play. 5e doesn't have broken bones, though. There's no mechanism to even heal it. If you were to rule that the PC breaks his foot after a failed attempt to break down the door, are you going to just fix the foot after a night's rest? If not, how much time is it going to take? Wounds don't give penalties. Are you going to penalize the PC for the broken foot? He can't walk on it. He can't fight effectively with it. What's that penalty going to look like? It's pretty clear that the DM is stepping outside of the rules to break the foot. [/QUOTE]

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