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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 8018915" data-attributes="member: 6696971"><p>I'm fairly certain that you and I have had this conversation before and, if so, I wasn't convincing then (so why am I trying now!?).</p><p></p><p>When you say the above, I immediately think "this person has little to no experience as a martial actor in physical sports or combat." </p><p></p><p>I can't recall, but i think you...may be...Canadian (?) so you have some experience with hockey?</p><p></p><p>Here is the thing. I'm 42. I have been a grappler since I was 12 (so 30 years) from wrestling to Brazilian Jiu-jitsu. I have been in a ridiculous number of physical, violent confrontations in my life. </p><p></p><p>What happens at the subconscious level of a very experienced, very trained physical combatant/athlete is ALL numbers. All of it. Spatial Geometry, trajectories, relative velocities, angles of intercept, potential force and how my body should move to diffuse some of it, arcs, etc. Elite athletes have complex models of moving objects in space (including themselves; proprioception) and perform complex computations (subconsciously) in milliseconds that have amazing predictive capacity relative to a layperson.</p><p></p><p>An expert Warrior who has been exchanging blows in sparring, against target dummies with armor, real creatures in the wild with natural armor. They would have an intrinsic understanding (with just a glimpse) of the density and resilience to blows of a dragon's scale that would be well beyond the pale of your average town guard, and profoundly beyond that of a villager. They would process its agility, speed, and its ability (or not) to produce angles extremely quickly and with amazing accuracy.</p><p></p><p>If you merely inform with the sort of abstract, flowery prose that any noncombatant could grok to the same level ("The dragon's scales shimmer like steel as your torchlight cascades across it. Its mighty lungs expand and contract as it sleeps, the sound of its overlapping armored plates grating subtly against each other, creating an eerie sound. Not a single scale that you can see bears a scar of battle...though surely this Ancient Wyrm has been tested by other dragons and adventurers alike.") and model just as well ("These scales are really hard!") an elite combatant...</p><p></p><p>...well, if I'm sitting at that table, I don't feel remotely sufficiently informed with respect to the resolution of the mental model that I, while attempting to inhabit my elite Fighter, should have. I would feel completely disconnected.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 8018915, member: 6696971"] I'm fairly certain that you and I have had this conversation before and, if so, I wasn't convincing then (so why am I trying now!?). When you say the above, I immediately think "this person has little to no experience as a martial actor in physical sports or combat." I can't recall, but i think you...may be...Canadian (?) so you have some experience with hockey? Here is the thing. I'm 42. I have been a grappler since I was 12 (so 30 years) from wrestling to Brazilian Jiu-jitsu. I have been in a ridiculous number of physical, violent confrontations in my life. What happens at the subconscious level of a very experienced, very trained physical combatant/athlete is ALL numbers. All of it. Spatial Geometry, trajectories, relative velocities, angles of intercept, potential force and how my body should move to diffuse some of it, arcs, etc. Elite athletes have complex models of moving objects in space (including themselves; proprioception) and perform complex computations (subconsciously) in milliseconds that have amazing predictive capacity relative to a layperson. An expert Warrior who has been exchanging blows in sparring, against target dummies with armor, real creatures in the wild with natural armor. They would have an intrinsic understanding (with just a glimpse) of the density and resilience to blows of a dragon's scale that would be well beyond the pale of your average town guard, and profoundly beyond that of a villager. They would process its agility, speed, and its ability (or not) to produce angles extremely quickly and with amazing accuracy. If you merely inform with the sort of abstract, flowery prose that any noncombatant could grok to the same level ("The dragon's scales shimmer like steel as your torchlight cascades across it. Its mighty lungs expand and contract as it sleeps, the sound of its overlapping armored plates grating subtly against each other, creating an eerie sound. Not a single scale that you can see bears a scar of battle...though surely this Ancient Wyrm has been tested by other dragons and adventurers alike.") and model just as well ("These scales are really hard!") an elite combatant... ...well, if I'm sitting at that table, I don't feel remotely sufficiently informed with respect to the resolution of the mental model that I, while attempting to inhabit my elite Fighter, should have. I would feel completely disconnected. [/QUOTE]
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