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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 8021425" data-attributes="member: 6696971">Don't have anything to add.&nbsp; Agree on all points:1)&nbsp; There isn't any daylight between what we're saying (implicit meaning follow from the fiction which entails genre expectations + play principles and procedures + thematic expectations; in badlands chases use gorges not UFOs + Fail Forward with momentum + challenge them on the axis of the premise of the challenge).2)&nbsp; Harper's layout of the architecture of this (in AW) is spot on.3)&nbsp; Your last paragraph also spot on and its my same feeling about the relation to the OP.&nbsp;&nbsp; That action declaration in the OP could absolutely be a thematically coherent, good faith move by the player.&nbsp; As such, the only interesting conversation orbits around working from that premise (otherwise, again, just fix your out of play issues) and the premise is definitely hooked deeply into a mismatch of GM and player conception about what should be reasonable inputs to and outputs from play.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 8021425, member: 6696971"] Don't have anything to add. Agree on all points: 1) There isn't any daylight between what we're saying (implicit meaning follow from the fiction which entails genre expectations + play principles and procedures + thematic expectations; in badlands chases use gorges not UFOs + Fail Forward with momentum + challenge them on the axis of the premise of the challenge). 2) Harper's layout of the architecture of this (in AW) is spot on. 3) Your last paragraph also spot on and its my same feeling about the relation to the OP. That action declaration in the OP could absolutely be a thematically coherent, good faith move by the player. As such, the only interesting conversation orbits around working from that premise (otherwise, again, just fix your out of play issues) and the premise is definitely hooked deeply into a mismatch of GM and player conception about what should be reasonable inputs to and outputs from play. [/QUOTE]

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