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<blockquote data-quote="mmadsen" data-source="post: 3904327" data-attributes="member: 1645">Is the average stat in D&amp;D an average for adult, 21st-century Americans?&nbsp; Or is it an average for quasi-medieval men?&nbsp; When it comes to carrying capacity, I suspect a pre-industrial farmer can carry much more than a modern office worker -- even one with superior size from better nutrition.This is an important point: realism does not mean complexity.&nbsp; A rule can be realistic without slowing down the game, and a rule can be unrealistic without being quick and easy.There is a world of difference between how much one can lift in a competition deadlift -- barbell with &quot;Olympic&quot; plates, off the ground -- and how much one can lift from a few inches lower or a few feet higher.An athletic guy can deadlift 300 lbs and can &quot;rack pull&quot; -- deadlift from around knee height -- maybe 400 lbs.&nbsp; Similarly, an athletic guy may be able to deep-squat with 300 lbs on his back, but he can walk out of the rack with 400 or 450 lbs across his back and stagger about a bit.Competitive strength athletes can double those numbers.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="mmadsen, post: 3904327, member: 1645"] Is the average stat in D&D an average for adult, 21st-century Americans? Or is it an average for quasi-medieval men? When it comes to carrying capacity, I suspect a pre-industrial farmer can carry much more than a modern office worker -- even one with superior size from better nutrition. This is an important point: realism does not mean complexity. A rule can be realistic without slowing down the game, and a rule can be unrealistic without being quick and easy. There is a world of difference between how much one can lift in a competition deadlift -- barbell with "Olympic" plates, off the ground -- and how much one can lift from a few inches lower or a few feet higher. An athletic guy can deadlift 300 lbs and can "rack pull" -- deadlift from around knee height -- maybe 400 lbs. Similarly, an athletic guy may be able to deep-squat with 300 lbs on his back, but he can walk out of the rack with 400 or 450 lbs across his back and stagger about a bit. Competitive strength athletes can double those numbers. [/QUOTE]

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