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<blockquote data-quote="NaturalZero" data-source="post: 7861141" data-attributes="member: 55705">Not any more or less than right now though, as long as you just don't give you MORE abilities on top of what a &quot;vanilla&quot; class gets in an alternative, hypothetical design. Every character I make in 5e is already dipping levels in fighter for action surge, or some other class for a spells, or whatever. If you designed all of the classes with the subclasses in mind from the start, this isn't an issue more than having them start later.The huge problem with the 5e PHB though is that there simply aren't enough themed spells to flesh out archetypes when you do the kind of kitchen sink spell list that they went with. If i try to make a necromancer, i literally cannot load out my character with enough choices to differentiate him from the other wizards and sorcerers at the table because of the way the list is designed. If they had just made a necromancer class, for example, they could have come up with a handful of multipurpose class features that do the heavy lifting instead of relying on a huge spells list that ultimately ends up being a copy and paste of other builds. I'd rather have a single feature that allows me to customize and field undead with different options as I level up instead of gaining 6 spells choices that are the same as the evoker and the oracle.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="NaturalZero, post: 7861141, member: 55705"] Not any more or less than right now though, as long as you just don't give you MORE abilities on top of what a "vanilla" class gets in an alternative, hypothetical design. Every character I make in 5e is already dipping levels in fighter for action surge, or some other class for a spells, or whatever. If you designed all of the classes with the subclasses in mind from the start, this isn't an issue more than having them start later. The huge problem with the 5e PHB though is that there simply aren't enough themed spells to flesh out archetypes when you do the kind of kitchen sink spell list that they went with. If i try to make a necromancer, i literally cannot load out my character with enough choices to differentiate him from the other wizards and sorcerers at the table because of the way the list is designed. If they had just made a necromancer class, for example, they could have come up with a handful of multipurpose class features that do the heavy lifting instead of relying on a huge spells list that ultimately ends up being a copy and paste of other builds. I'd rather have a single feature that allows me to customize and field undead with different options as I level up instead of gaining 6 spells choices that are the same as the evoker and the oracle. [/QUOTE]

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