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Message: <blockquote data-quote="the Jester" data-source="post: 7863716" data-attributes="member: 1210">Strongly disagree. PrC bloat was part of the issue; so was race bloat, feat bloat, and item bloat. But base class bloat was absolutely a factor. I saw it plenty of times, especially when players were making characters above first level.I'm not sure what you're saying with the 'no more were worthless than 5E' thing here. Are you saying that all the base classes in 3e were equal? Because I think the disparity between, say, a cleric and a fighter is pretty well-known and largely accepted. And that's not even stepping out of the PH. Include things like the true necromancer, which was strictly better than a necromancer wizard (at least at, you know, necromancy), and you're seeing even more base-class-bloat-caused imbalance. Not to even mention the poor fighter, especially when the Book of Nine Swords came out.</blockquote>