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<blockquote data-quote="Einlanzer0" data-source="post: 7864032" data-attributes="member: 6788934">It was not a wizard build. It was an alternate version of the wizard with very different flavor and features - not something that could be simulated by a subclass in 5e.I will repeat two things I've already stated here:&quot;class bloat&quot;, to whatever degree it can be argued as an actual problem in 3x, is an irrational concern for 5e. The mere existence of the subclass system is enough to keep it from ever exploding out of control as, unlike 3.5 which lacked such a system, most concepts will be developed through subclasses. I would expect something like Pathfinder 1e, which periodically released new classes, but did so in a controlled way and only with concepts sufficiently broad to exist as full classes with lots of potential design space.many class concepts work well as subclasses, but many do not and are worth developing as their own classes if they are to be developed at all for 5e. Psion is a prime example of this. If WotC wanted to do almost exclusively subclass developent, they should have done more to consolidate and redesign the base classes in the PHB than they did.I have a list of homebrew classes that I use for my campaigns (made mostly by other people with some refinement by me), and they are all more unique and conceptually broader than the paladin and have multiple different subclasses - brawler, oracle, emergent, witch, marshal, shaman, hermetic, scholar. I'm looking forward to adding a Psion, whether official or not.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Einlanzer0, post: 7864032, member: 6788934"] It was not a wizard build. It was an alternate version of the wizard with very different flavor and features - not something that could be simulated by a subclass in 5e. I will repeat two things I've already stated here: "class bloat", to whatever degree it can be argued as an actual problem in 3x, is an irrational concern for 5e. The mere existence of the subclass system is enough to keep it from ever exploding out of control as, unlike 3.5 which lacked such a system, most concepts will be developed through subclasses. I would expect something like Pathfinder 1e, which periodically released new classes, but did so in a controlled way and only with concepts sufficiently broad to exist as full classes with lots of potential design space. many class concepts work well as subclasses, but many do not and are worth developing as their own classes if they are to be developed at all for 5e. Psion is a prime example of this. If WotC wanted to do almost exclusively subclass developent, they should have done more to consolidate and redesign the base classes in the PHB than they did. I have a list of homebrew classes that I use for my campaigns (made mostly by other people with some refinement by me), and they are all more unique and conceptually broader than the paladin and have multiple different subclasses - brawler, oracle, emergent, witch, marshal, shaman, hermetic, scholar. I'm looking forward to adding a Psion, whether official or not. [/QUOTE]

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