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<blockquote data-quote="NaturalZero" data-source="post: 7864311" data-attributes="member: 55705">A huge amount of the 4e fighter's powers were ground up into bite-sized bits and presented as battlemaster maneuvers though. A lot of the specific &quot;you can move, attack, and then move again!&quot; found in 4e powers is already baked into the system or the fighter class. There is boatload, on the other hand, of fancy psionic melee combatant stuff that would be completely thrown out if we make the psywar a fighter subclass.&nbsp;The problem is that there's no meat there to work with. The fighter is already pushing, pulling, and tripping, etc with maneuvers and most of the battlemind stuff would be more powerful. That would be fine and dandy if you could drop stuff like second wind, action surge, etc, on the base fighter chassis in order to include more potent psionic abilities, but that simply isn't an option for a 5e fighter with a subclass.This is pretty much the crux of the issue with 5e class subclasses. You're limited with how flexible your design is because you can't mess with the base of the class's features at level 1 or 2.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="NaturalZero, post: 7864311, member: 55705"] A huge amount of the 4e fighter's powers were ground up into bite-sized bits and presented as battlemaster maneuvers though. A lot of the specific "you can move, attack, and then move again!" found in 4e powers is already baked into the system or the fighter class. There is boatload, on the other hand, of fancy psionic melee combatant stuff that would be completely thrown out if we make the psywar a fighter subclass. The problem is that there's no meat there to work with. The fighter is already pushing, pulling, and tripping, etc with maneuvers and most of the battlemind stuff would be more powerful. That would be fine and dandy if you could drop stuff like second wind, action surge, etc, on the base fighter chassis in order to include more potent psionic abilities, but that simply isn't an option for a 5e fighter with a subclass. This is pretty much the crux of the issue with 5e class subclasses. You're limited with how flexible your design is because you can't mess with the base of the class's features at level 1 or 2. [/QUOTE]

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