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<blockquote data-quote="TiwazTyrsfist" data-source="post: 7864768" data-attributes="member: 70582">What justification is there for the Sorcerer?&nbsp; Why can't you just have a Wizard subclass with Meta-Magic as it's subclass powers?What's the Justification for a Cleric?&nbsp; Why can't you just have a White Wizard subclass with bonus spells for the healing/restoration spells, and channel divinity/turn undead as it's subclass powers?What's the justification for Druid?&nbsp; Why can't you just have a Nature Wizard with wild shape as a subclass feature?Whats the Justification for a Fighter?&nbsp; Why can't you just have a Wizard subclass with Weapon and Armor proficiency and a Fighting Style at Lvl 2, Extra Attack at level 6 (Improving at 11 and 20), Action Surge at 10, and Second Wind at 14?I'm of course being facetious, but the argument that a class COULD be rendered at least to some extent as a subclass for an existing class is clearly NOT a good or sufficient argument for not making it a class.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TiwazTyrsfist, post: 7864768, member: 70582"] What justification is there for the Sorcerer? Why can't you just have a Wizard subclass with Meta-Magic as it's subclass powers? What's the Justification for a Cleric? Why can't you just have a White Wizard subclass with bonus spells for the healing/restoration spells, and channel divinity/turn undead as it's subclass powers? What's the justification for Druid? Why can't you just have a Nature Wizard with wild shape as a subclass feature? Whats the Justification for a Fighter? Why can't you just have a Wizard subclass with Weapon and Armor proficiency and a Fighting Style at Lvl 2, Extra Attack at level 6 (Improving at 11 and 20), Action Surge at 10, and Second Wind at 14? I'm of course being facetious, but the argument that a class COULD be rendered at least to some extent as a subclass for an existing class is clearly NOT a good or sufficient argument for not making it a class. [/QUOTE]

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