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<blockquote data-quote="Xeviat" data-source="post: 7867173" data-attributes="member: 57494">But when a creature has a spellcasting (psionics) feature, those spells can still be counter spelled or dispelled. They still function as the spells they are. That's all people mean when they say psionics is magic.They removed the hardline distinction between Divine and Arcane magic; there's no differences like divine magic can be cast in armor and arcane magic cannot be. The only differences are the thematics of the class and which implements they can use.All a psionic spellcaster would need is an ability that lets them ignore material components, as if they were using an implement, unless there is a cost to those components. In effect, the psionic spellcaster would be their own implement. Or maybe they could use crystals.I do fully agree, though, that if the Psion (or Mystic) is going to be its own class, it's got to have something going for it that separates it. The druid and cleric are separated by their abilities other than their spell lists. The Psion will need solid class abilities to differentiate it (and I think slightly more than just using PP, because there is an SP variant already in the DMG). Remember how unsatisfying the Sorcerer was in 3E in the eyes of the char op builders?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Xeviat, post: 7867173, member: 57494"] But when a creature has a spellcasting (psionics) feature, those spells can still be counter spelled or dispelled. They still function as the spells they are. That's all people mean when they say psionics is magic. They removed the hardline distinction between Divine and Arcane magic; there's no differences like divine magic can be cast in armor and arcane magic cannot be. The only differences are the thematics of the class and which implements they can use. All a psionic spellcaster would need is an ability that lets them ignore material components, as if they were using an implement, unless there is a cost to those components. In effect, the psionic spellcaster would be their own implement. Or maybe they could use crystals. I do fully agree, though, that if the Psion (or Mystic) is going to be its own class, it's got to have something going for it that separates it. The druid and cleric are separated by their abilities other than their spell lists. The Psion will need solid class abilities to differentiate it (and I think slightly more than just using PP, because there is an SP variant already in the DMG). Remember how unsatisfying the Sorcerer was in 3E in the eyes of the char op builders? [/QUOTE]

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