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<blockquote data-quote="shadowoflameth" data-source="post: 7868359" data-attributes="member: 62336"><p>I see why the designers focused this way. In a practical sense, it is easier to make a sub-class than to make a class with two or more sub-class options. That said IMHO quality of play is not served by forcing every concept to be done this way. I could much more easily see the Artificer being a sub-class of Wizard for example that wrap my brain around Psion doing that. In this example it binds the Psion to class mechanics that weren't made for the concept. Sure many Wizard spells could be given a Psion flavor, Telekinesis, Detect Thoughts, but others like the summoning spells are less Psion in flavor to my own personal taste. The players complaining that MC is a trap, to me are separate question, but MC was never meant to mechanically be 'better' necessarily but to be fun. i.e. giving a character an unusual combo of abilities, like a warlock that can call a steed or a fighter that can do flurry of blows and go without armor.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="shadowoflameth, post: 7868359, member: 62336"] I see why the designers focused this way. In a practical sense, it is easier to make a sub-class than to make a class with two or more sub-class options. That said IMHO quality of play is not served by forcing every concept to be done this way. I could much more easily see the Artificer being a sub-class of Wizard for example that wrap my brain around Psion doing that. In this example it binds the Psion to class mechanics that weren't made for the concept. Sure many Wizard spells could be given a Psion flavor, Telekinesis, Detect Thoughts, but others like the summoning spells are less Psion in flavor to my own personal taste. The players complaining that MC is a trap, to me are separate question, but MC was never meant to mechanically be 'better' necessarily but to be fun. i.e. giving a character an unusual combo of abilities, like a warlock that can call a steed or a fighter that can do flurry of blows and go without armor. [/QUOTE]
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