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<blockquote data-quote="Herschel" data-source="post: 4941683" data-attributes="member: 78357"><p>The whole "Edition Wars" thing has me thinking: How important is the system?</p><p> </p><p>I loved 1E/2E. It worked well for me and I enjoyed the people I played with. Then along comes 3E after I had moved and was looking for a new group as I hadn't found "that group" . I bought the PHB and played a bit, but never really liked the system, nor really found a group I was happy just hanging around with or talking to about non-gaming things. </p><p> </p><p>3.5 hit. I still didn't really like the system because I felt it was too rules heavy and plan based for my tastes. I like flexibility as a DM without having to spend huge amounts of time designing an adventure or building monsters. When I build a character, I have a general idea in mind of what I want to do. I like to build by feel rather than by rules and planning. This was a detriment in 3E.</p><p> </p><p>Then came the minis, which led me to an early tournament to try and trade a few minis. I built a warband on the spot and played. And liked it.</p><p> </p><p>This was where I met a number of gamers that I really liked. As people, not just gamers. I was invited to join a 3.5 group. I still didn't care for the system and after a couple of characters died I explained to a better min-maxer what I wanted to do and he helped me plan the character more which worked fairly well even though it felt counter-intuitive to the way I think of building and advancing a character (we used multiclassing a fair amount rather than single class to prestige class). </p><p> </p><p>That said, I still had fun because I really liked the guys I played with even though I wasn't as big a fan of the system. I continued to play because I enjoyed playing a game with them.</p><p> </p><p>Then 4E came along. It had some things I REALLY liked (less DM prep and more flexibility/less rules for out-of-combat play) and some things I REALLY disliked (healing surges, the giant/titan advancement stuff, etc.) but after trying the system I found it played very well and I liked the game even with its wonkiness.</p><p> </p><p>But I keep coming back to I like playing with the people I do in the groups I do more than anything. </p><p> </p><p>If the people I liked playing with were still playing 3.5, I'd still enjoy playing even with some frustrations over the system. </p><p> </p><p>If the majority wanted to switch to GURPS, I'd likely roll with that one too.</p><p> </p><p>If they wanted to LARP in animal costumes, I'd........call the men in the little white coats and run like heck <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> (I do have limits)</p><p> </p><p>I guess what I'm saying is that for me, gaming is a face-to-face social encounter more than "the game". I don't do WoW or online games, it's not my thing. It's the personal interaction where sarcasm, silliness, dryness, body language and all the rest are part of it.</p><p> </p><p>I'm curious as to what others think regardless of which edition they prefer. I know it's a bit of a "chicken/egg" question but still am curious what others think.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Herschel, post: 4941683, member: 78357"] The whole "Edition Wars" thing has me thinking: How important is the system? I loved 1E/2E. It worked well for me and I enjoyed the people I played with. Then along comes 3E after I had moved and was looking for a new group as I hadn't found "that group" . I bought the PHB and played a bit, but never really liked the system, nor really found a group I was happy just hanging around with or talking to about non-gaming things. 3.5 hit. I still didn't really like the system because I felt it was too rules heavy and plan based for my tastes. I like flexibility as a DM without having to spend huge amounts of time designing an adventure or building monsters. When I build a character, I have a general idea in mind of what I want to do. I like to build by feel rather than by rules and planning. This was a detriment in 3E. Then came the minis, which led me to an early tournament to try and trade a few minis. I built a warband on the spot and played. And liked it. This was where I met a number of gamers that I really liked. As people, not just gamers. I was invited to join a 3.5 group. I still didn't care for the system and after a couple of characters died I explained to a better min-maxer what I wanted to do and he helped me plan the character more which worked fairly well even though it felt counter-intuitive to the way I think of building and advancing a character (we used multiclassing a fair amount rather than single class to prestige class). That said, I still had fun because I really liked the guys I played with even though I wasn't as big a fan of the system. I continued to play because I enjoyed playing a game with them. Then 4E came along. It had some things I REALLY liked (less DM prep and more flexibility/less rules for out-of-combat play) and some things I REALLY disliked (healing surges, the giant/titan advancement stuff, etc.) but after trying the system I found it played very well and I liked the game even with its wonkiness. But I keep coming back to I like playing with the people I do in the groups I do more than anything. If the people I liked playing with were still playing 3.5, I'd still enjoy playing even with some frustrations over the system. If the majority wanted to switch to GURPS, I'd likely roll with that one too. If they wanted to LARP in animal costumes, I'd........call the men in the little white coats and run like heck ;) (I do have limits) I guess what I'm saying is that for me, gaming is a face-to-face social encounter more than "the game". I don't do WoW or online games, it's not my thing. It's the personal interaction where sarcasm, silliness, dryness, body language and all the rest are part of it. I'm curious as to what others think regardless of which edition they prefer. I know it's a bit of a "chicken/egg" question but still am curious what others think. [/QUOTE]
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