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<blockquote data-quote="kenmarable" data-source="post: 3794469" data-attributes="member: 40359">Where's this 20 pages of new rules that the RPGA uses? I'm just curious if it's more &quot;20 pages of rule clarifications&quot; or &quot;20 pages of rewriting the rules&quot;. I haven't followed RPGA stuff closely, but I recall seeing more rule clarifications and list of what's allowed and not than &quot;we do grapple checks differently&quot; kinds of rewriting of rules. To me that is a bigger distinction than raw number of pages.Also, since you want to draw the line between them &quot;not playing D&amp;D&quot; with 20 pages, and 1 page of house rules being ok - what's the cut off? If I have a 10 page document, is that still D&amp;D? 8 pages? If I allow core rules only and no Complete X or other expansions, what then? Or for kicks, we play all expansions and no core class/races, is that D&amp;D? If I still play 3.0 or 2nd edition or older, which has a heck of a lot more than 20 pages of changes, am I still playing D&amp;D?I have never played in the RPGA, so I don't think I have any &quot;guilt telling that me its true&quot; here, and your comments still seem to me to be pretty insulting. It looks to me that you have a very narrow definition of &quot;true D&amp;D&quot; that I have a hard time seeing stand up to any scrutiny. Besides even if your definition can hold water, I'm glad WotC has a more open definition and are willing to playtest the new rules with a variety of gamers, environments, and play styles. D&amp;D is supposed to support them all - at least in my opinion of &quot;true D&amp;D&quot;. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="kenmarable, post: 3794469, member: 40359"] Where's this 20 pages of new rules that the RPGA uses? I'm just curious if it's more "20 pages of rule clarifications" or "20 pages of rewriting the rules". I haven't followed RPGA stuff closely, but I recall seeing more rule clarifications and list of what's allowed and not than "we do grapple checks differently" kinds of rewriting of rules. To me [b]that[/b] is a bigger distinction than raw number of pages. Also, since you want to draw the line between them "not playing D&D" with 20 pages, and 1 page of house rules being ok - what's the cut off? If I have a 10 page document, is that still D&D? 8 pages? If I allow core rules only and no Complete X or other expansions, what then? Or for kicks, we play all expansions and no core class/races, is that D&D? If I still play 3.0 or 2nd edition or older, which has a heck of a lot more than 20 pages of changes, am I still playing D&D? I have never played in the RPGA, so I don't think I have any "guilt telling that me its true" here, and your comments still seem to me to be pretty insulting. It looks to me that you have a very narrow definition of "true D&D" that I have a hard time seeing stand up to any scrutiny. Besides even if your definition can hold water, I'm glad WotC has a more open definition and are willing to playtest the new rules with a variety of gamers, environments, and play styles. D&D is supposed to support them all - at least in my opinion of "true D&D". :) [/QUOTE]

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