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<blockquote data-quote="7thlvlDM" data-source="post: 210778" data-attributes="member: 1081"><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong> It was a joke. I think you are making mountains out of mole hills by attacking my initial post.</p><p></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong> </p><p></p><p>That was in answer to ColonelHardisson's claim of not seeing any explanation of this before that isn't linked to min/maxing. Apparently he thinks my arguments are linked to min/maxing as well. So in short, I wasn't talking to you <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p></p><p>I'll look into it.</p><p></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong> </p><p></p><p>My comments weren't just about balance, but simply things I feel that are wrong with the game.</p><p></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong> </p><p></p><p>Then you don't have all the pieces of the puzzle now do you? Get informed =P</p><p></p><p> Here is where I think you are totally wrong. Options do mean power because it allows for greater versatility, even if there is a sacrifice involved.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Your comments seem to imply you think spells are balanced with skills and feats. So you tell me.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>You make comments like "You have quite obviously never played a high level game" and "It is not a substitute for the GM having a brain," and you tell me not to be insulting? I don't want this thread closed Psion, so I will respect your point of view if you respect mine.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>What did I decide about that situation other than what a wizard character would do during combat and normally cast on him self every few days?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's not the point. You need another spellcaster for that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll say it again, if you can buy feats like you can buy spells, I wouldn't be complaining.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>One word: scrolls. And if you're going to make the same counter argument you always do, see my last comment.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Are you or are you not advocating that underpowered feats and spells like Toughness and Shocking Grasp should stay as they are because people don't have to choose them? That is the argument I am bashing, because it is counterproductive to having a continually improving, balanced game.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I want to have variety Psion, I want it to be a hard choice whenever I get a new feat. I want a good reason to consider taking Toughness.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Of course DM judgement is required, but doesn't it seem like the CR system has room for improvement if it got young adult white dragon and black pudding equal in CR?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not saying it's not unplayable. Again, I *like* this incarnation of D&D better than the previous versions. But I think there is room to grow. Shocking grasp should have been (and should be) better balanced, maybe lasting multiple rounds instead of discharging after one attack.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I know you are but what am I =P</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I do agree that the Monte Cook ranger is over powerful. But then he was one of your vaunted designers, wasn't he? Given time, I will make my alt. ranger. Your opinions are not the epitome of good judgement though.</p><p></p><p>-7th</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="7thlvlDM, post: 210778, member: 1081"] [B] [/B] It was a joke. I think you are making mountains out of mole hills by attacking my initial post. [B] [/B] That was in answer to ColonelHardisson's claim of not seeing any explanation of this before that isn't linked to min/maxing. Apparently he thinks my arguments are linked to min/maxing as well. So in short, I wasn't talking to you :) [B] [/B] I'll look into it. [B] [/B] My comments weren't just about balance, but simply things I feel that are wrong with the game. [B] [/B] Then you don't have all the pieces of the puzzle now do you? Get informed =P [B][/B] Here is where I think you are totally wrong. Options do mean power because it allows for greater versatility, even if there is a sacrifice involved. [B][/B] Your comments seem to imply you think spells are balanced with skills and feats. So you tell me. [B][/B] You make comments like "You have quite obviously never played a high level game" and "It is not a substitute for the GM having a brain," and you tell me not to be insulting? I don't want this thread closed Psion, so I will respect your point of view if you respect mine. [B][/B] What did I decide about that situation other than what a wizard character would do during combat and normally cast on him self every few days? [B][/B] That's not the point. You need another spellcaster for that. [B][/B] I'll say it again, if you can buy feats like you can buy spells, I wouldn't be complaining. [B][/B] One word: scrolls. And if you're going to make the same counter argument you always do, see my last comment. [B][/B] Are you or are you not advocating that underpowered feats and spells like Toughness and Shocking Grasp should stay as they are because people don't have to choose them? That is the argument I am bashing, because it is counterproductive to having a continually improving, balanced game. [B][/B] I want to have variety Psion, I want it to be a hard choice whenever I get a new feat. I want a good reason to consider taking Toughness. [B][/B] Of course DM judgement is required, but doesn't it seem like the CR system has room for improvement if it got young adult white dragon and black pudding equal in CR? [B][/B] I'm not saying it's not unplayable. Again, I *like* this incarnation of D&D better than the previous versions. But I think there is room to grow. Shocking grasp should have been (and should be) better balanced, maybe lasting multiple rounds instead of discharging after one attack. [B][/B] I know you are but what am I =P I do agree that the Monte Cook ranger is over powerful. But then he was one of your vaunted designers, wasn't he? Given time, I will make my alt. ranger. Your opinions are not the epitome of good judgement though. -7th [/QUOTE]
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