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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kichwas" data-source="post: 211363" data-attributes="member: 891">You;d better be careful with 4E when it comes out then. You might just have one of them 'joy attacks' and fall over dead. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />For me: I really didn't like all the inconsistant rules of 1E or 2E. Nor the limits of classes and levels. Nor the magic system. Nor alignments. Nor the combat system. Nor the random stats.There really isn't anything I did enjoy in either of those two systems. WHich is why I left DnD behind as a DM in 83, and as a player in 85. Looking back only long enough to buy the books for 2E and quickly shelve them.Spent the time between then and August 2000 playing other games. Mostly Champions and GURPS, later moving to SHadowrun, BESM and trying to get Everway going...Plus a hoard of other games here and there.I only bothered to look at 3E in order to get arguments for a debate with people I knew that it was still a game I would find unplayable.But I changed my mind after looking through it.</blockquote>