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<blockquote data-quote="Knightfall" data-source="post: 7112954" data-attributes="member: 2012"><p>Well, after checking the Modern Reference Document, I'm going to say that my ruling stands (but, see below). Everything I've seen say that a 'modern' bayonet is more like a combat knife than a sword or spearhead. It can be taken off the weapon and uses as a knife and is more of weapon of last resort.</p><p></p><p>However, the one rule I can find online is someone homebrewed material for the d20 Pulp Heroes games: <a href="http://paratime.ca/d20/pulp/weapons.html" target="_blank">Expanded Weapons Table</a>, which says the following: <em>"With the bayonet fixed, the longarm becomes a <a href="http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Double_weapon" target="_blank">double weapon</a>-clublike at one end and <u>spearlike</u> at the other. A character can fight with it as if fighting with two weapons, but if the character does so, he or she incurs all the normal attack penalties associated with fighting with two weapons, as if using a one-handed weapon and a light weapon. If the bayonet is not fixed, treat as a Combat Knife."</em></p><p></p><p>So, I would say it <u>could</u> be used like a spear but to do so is <u>very difficult</u>. Davik would have a -4 non-proficiency penalty to try to set it against a charge and it wouldn't be able to be used in that way against creatures larger than himself. So, if a knight charges him on horseback, it won't be an effective choice, since the horse is considered Large even though the knight is Medium-sized.</p><p></p><p>Davik could <u>try</u> to use it to set against a charge, but I wouldn't advise it. Regardless, it would only be effective against one zombie attacking him in one round not against multiple opponents. </p><p></p><p>The bayonet and his firearm's butt end would be more effectively used as a double weapon, as noted above.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Referring to a heavy firearm as 'a stick' is not a good counterargument. I may not be well-verse in gun lore, but I quite certain using a bayonet in such a manner would not be the same as wielding a spear. Thus, the non-proficiency penalty for him to try to attempt to use it to set against a charge.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Knightfall, post: 7112954, member: 2012"] Well, after checking the Modern Reference Document, I'm going to say that my ruling stands (but, see below). Everything I've seen say that a 'modern' bayonet is more like a combat knife than a sword or spearhead. It can be taken off the weapon and uses as a knife and is more of weapon of last resort. However, the one rule I can find online is someone homebrewed material for the d20 Pulp Heroes games: [URL="http://paratime.ca/d20/pulp/weapons.html"]Expanded Weapons Table[/URL], which says the following: [I]"With the bayonet fixed, the longarm becomes a [URL="http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Double_weapon"]double weapon[/URL]-clublike at one end and [U]spearlike[/U] at the other. A character can fight with it as if fighting with two weapons, but if the character does so, he or she incurs all the normal attack penalties associated with fighting with two weapons, as if using a one-handed weapon and a light weapon. If the bayonet is not fixed, treat as a Combat Knife."[/I] So, I would say it [U]could[/U] be used like a spear but to do so is [U]very difficult[/U]. Davik would have a -4 non-proficiency penalty to try to set it against a charge and it wouldn't be able to be used in that way against creatures larger than himself. So, if a knight charges him on horseback, it won't be an effective choice, since the horse is considered Large even though the knight is Medium-sized. Davik could [U]try[/U] to use it to set against a charge, but I wouldn't advise it. Regardless, it would only be effective against one zombie attacking him in one round not against multiple opponents. The bayonet and his firearm's butt end would be more effectively used as a double weapon, as noted above. Referring to a heavy firearm as 'a stick' is not a good counterargument. I may not be well-verse in gun lore, but I quite certain using a bayonet in such a manner would not be the same as wielding a spear. Thus, the non-proficiency penalty for him to try to attempt to use it to set against a charge. [/QUOTE]
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