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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 4568738" data-attributes="member: 12731">Okay, so I guess I didn't phrase my question clearly... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :-)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" />I fully understand the evils of the 15-minute adventure day.And I also realize a good DM can avoid it simply by applying some well-measured time pressure that is tailored specifically to his or her own play group.But. Let's just for the moment discuss the rulebooks only, without the &quot;a good DM can always compensate for bad rules&quot; mentality. By this I only mean that with a good DM there is no 15-minute day problem to solve. Thus, the only place where there is a problem is when the &quot;good DM&quot; solution doesn't apply - the case I would like to discuss here.My question is: WotC claims to have abolished the 15-adventure day. I don't see where and how.As far as I understand it, it is always more beneficial to take an extended rest than to plow on. There are no built-in penalties to taking extended rests other than time consumption - which is exactly the same as in 3rd Edition! How is that a solution?AFAIK, the only thing 4th does better than 3rd is granting some modicum of &quot;plow-on&quot; capability when you're forced to continue past the first 15 minutes of each adventuring day.And then my real, underlying (philosophical even) question: why have Wizards kept the adventuring day at all? Why force adventurers to rest just to regain their powers? Couldn't there have been a better solution (to avoid everyone blowing their dailies in each encounter)? Confusedly yours,Zapp</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 4568738, member: 12731"] Okay, so I guess I didn't phrase my question clearly... :-) I fully understand the evils of the 15-minute adventure day. And I also realize a good DM can avoid it simply by applying some well-measured time pressure that is tailored specifically to his or her own play group. But. Let's just for the moment discuss the rulebooks only, without the "a good DM can always compensate for bad rules" mentality. By this I only mean that with a good DM there is no 15-minute day problem to solve. Thus, the only place where there is a problem is when the "good DM" solution doesn't apply - the case I would like to discuss here. [B]My question is: WotC claims to have abolished the 15-adventure day. I don't see where and how.[/B] As far as I understand it, it is always more beneficial to take an extended rest than to plow on. There are no built-in penalties to taking extended rests other than time consumption - which is exactly the same as in 3rd Edition! How is that a solution? AFAIK, the only thing 4th does better than 3rd is granting some modicum of "plow-on" capability when you're forced to continue past the first 15 minutes of each adventuring day. [B]And then my real, underlying (philosophical even) question:[/B] why have Wizards kept the adventuring day at all? Why force adventurers to rest just to regain their powers? Couldn't there have been a better solution (to avoid everyone blowing their dailies in each encounter)? Confusedly yours, Zapp [/QUOTE]

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