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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 4570311" data-attributes="member: 12731">In several places, you set me up as a straw man. Please discontinue this practice.When WotC says &quot;the 15-min day is gone&quot; I expected them to remove the root of the problem, the fact that in order to recharge your powers you must spend a stipulated but arbitrary long period of inactive time (18 hours in 4E). Alternatively, to have introduced - in the rules - a set penalty of taking the extended rest option that you could weigh against the advantages and disadvantages of plowing on.Or, as before, to have acknowledged that the cost of taking extended rests vary tremendously between adventures, and because of this, the rules can't give more than a suggested cost (=18 hours) with the final decision being up to the DM. Much like milestones, which default to 2 encounters, but which can easily be overridden by the DM! I am perfectly aware of the concept and its ramifications, thank you very much.But this forces adventure designers to take into account the opposition and allocate a number of days to complete the mission. Any story that would work better on the daily or yearly timescale - or one where the component of time isn't the critical one - is hosed.And none of this is discussed by the DMG!It's really easy. But really stupid and not a solution too. Thanks but no thanks.But I guess I have my answer. The answer is: there is no answer. Thanks all /ZappPS. Again thanks Runestar. Yes, it seems that while milestones etc allow a party to continue on more than 1-2 fights, they still have to rest well within the first hour of each day's dungeon clean-out.In effect, the 15-minute day have been doubled or quadrupled. Wow. *sarcasm*</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 4570311, member: 12731"] In several places, you set me up as a straw man. Please discontinue this practice. When WotC says "the 15-min day is gone" I expected them to remove the root of the problem, the fact that in order to recharge your powers you must spend a stipulated but arbitrary long period of inactive time (18 hours in 4E). Alternatively, to have introduced - in the rules - a set penalty of taking the extended rest option that you could weigh against the advantages and disadvantages of plowing on. Or, as before, to have acknowledged that the cost of taking extended rests vary tremendously between adventures, and because of this, the rules can't give more than a suggested cost (=18 hours) with the final decision being up to the DM. Much like milestones, which default to 2 encounters, but which can [B]easily be overridden[/B] by the DM! I am perfectly aware of the concept and its ramifications, thank you very much. But this forces adventure designers to take into account the opposition and allocate a number of days to complete the mission. Any story that would work better on the daily or yearly timescale - or one where the component of time isn't the critical one - is hosed. And [I]none of this[/I] is discussed by the DMG! It's really easy. But really stupid and not a solution too. Thanks but no thanks. But I guess I have my answer. The answer is: there is no answer. Thanks all /Zapp PS. Again thanks Runestar. Yes, it seems that while milestones etc allow a party to continue on more than 1-2 fights, they still have to rest well within the first hour of each day's dungeon clean-out. In effect, the 15-minute day have been doubled or quadrupled. Wow. *sarcasm* [/QUOTE]

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