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<blockquote data-quote="Runestar" data-source="post: 4573500" data-attributes="member: 72317">My understanding of the term &quot;15 minute workday&quot; is that it refers to a party opting to stop and rest for the day after just 1 or 2 encounters, despite having the resources to take on more encounters. The most common reason given is the casters running out of spells (after spamming them like no tomorrow in said fight), and being reluctant to partake in another fight at anything less than full strength, but I feel that is not the sole reason. Casters just received the most flak because they were the ones with limited resources. But in reality, even fighters could be an offender, if he ran low on hp, and the party lacked resources to patch him up. It just seemed improbable because it is assumed that the party cleric is there to patch him up, but it can happen.But now in 4e, even with at-will and encounter powers, there is still another limited resource that existed both in 3e and 4e - hp. In 3e, the party stopped because the casters were out of spells. Now, in 4e, the party stops because one PC is out of surges, low on hp, and unable to access healing, and they are unwilling to risk a PC death due to some lucky hit/crit. So no, I am simply saying that the 15-minute issue is still as much of an issue in 4e compared to 3e. But at least in 3e, steps could be taken to counteract this (in the form of consumable magic items such as wands, for instance). Yet in 4e, similar provisions cannot be made. If anything, 4e seems even more unforgiving in this aspect.We just seemed to have exchanged one flaw for another. Nothing has really changed, IMO. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm&nbsp; &nbsp; :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Runestar, post: 4573500, member: 72317"] My understanding of the term "15 minute workday" is that it refers to a party opting to stop and rest for the day after just 1 or 2 encounters, despite having the resources to take on more encounters. The most common reason given is the casters running out of spells (after spamming them like no tomorrow in said fight), and being reluctant to partake in another fight at anything less than full strength, but I feel that is not the sole reason. Casters just received the most flak because they were the ones with limited resources. But in reality, even fighters could be an offender, if he ran low on hp, and the party lacked resources to patch him up. It just seemed improbable because it is assumed that the party cleric is there to patch him up, but it can happen. But now in 4e, even with at-will and encounter powers, there is still another limited resource that existed both in 3e and 4e - hp. In 3e, the party stopped because the casters were out of spells. Now, in 4e, the party stops because one PC is out of surges, low on hp, and unable to access healing, and they are unwilling to risk a PC death due to some lucky hit/crit. So no, I am simply saying that the 15-minute issue is still as much of an issue in 4e compared to 3e. But at least in 3e, steps could be taken to counteract this (in the form of consumable magic items such as wands, for instance). Yet in 4e, similar provisions cannot be made. If anything, 4e seems even more unforgiving in this aspect. We just seemed to have exchanged one flaw for another. Nothing has really changed, IMO. :erm: [/QUOTE]

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