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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 5939892" data-attributes="member: 2067">The "consistent game design goal" is to make a game that resonates with what people expect out of D&D. So it makes sense in light of that goal."Woodsy fighter" isn't a class feature. It's an archetype. There are a lot of mechanics that can help achieve that archetype, and they don't have to be mutually exclusive. So lets say we have a ranger who is a good archer, and a good TWF-style skirmisher, and has an animal companion, and has a "favored enemy" and who can use some Nature domain spells maybe. Probably gets Stealth and Natural Lore and, let's say, Survival as a skill. Lets call that grab bag of things the "Ranger Class." It's pretty identifiable as a D&D ranger whatever edition you hail from. The actual 5e ranger probably won't have all that, but this is mostly for the sake of the example.And then we have an Archer theme. And a Tempest theme. And an Animal Trainer theme. And a Hunter theme. And a Naturalist theme. And a Woodwise background. And those can be added to any character.So let's say you're one of those folks who hates TWF rangers. Grab the Woodwise background and the Hunter theme and plunk the dude into the rogue class (maybe with a druid multiclass, or plucking feats from the Naturalist theme, if you like the spellcasting) and you have what you want.Or you're one of those people who thinks the ranger should basically be a fighter, just who knows some stuff about plants and animals. Grab the background, call it a day. Or if you've always wanted to play a ranger with a shield, pick up the Defender theme with the Ranger class.Or whatever.Look at the rogue we have in the playtest docs. There's nothing there that couldn't be handled with a theme or a background. The rogue just gets the rogue-like stuff automatically, for being a rogue. The same is also true of the other classes, ultimately. This isn't a zero-sum game. Yeah, there's a practical pagecount limit in the first PH, but when you know that the classes you choose to create are somewhat arbitrary anyway, you can ensure that the versions of them you create fit into that pagecount and meet the goals you have for the first book. Rangers and paladins don't need to be a class, but there's no problem with them being a class, either, aside from apparently screwing with some people's beliefs that there should be only one way to represent a given archetype. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></blockquote>

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