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<blockquote data-quote="PallyFire84" data-source="post: 6534178" data-attributes="member: 6785518"><p>There is a lot of things I want to say, so I am sorry for the wall of text.</p><p></p><p>I actually work in a communications field, and one of the major skills we work with is the ability to learn that what a person says and what that same person actually means most of the time are not the same thing.</p><p></p><p>Before I reply to the OP I want to just draw a quick analogy. I think of D&D and the different editions as a pickup truck, or really just a generic vehicle. The core rules form the engine, tires, drive train, and the frame. There is also a very basic set of dials and meters and such. The setting is the style, leather seats, color, etc. And the features added are just that, the features added.</p><p></p><p>I hear and understand the op's complaints. But what I really hear when I look at the bigger picture is "The new engine and car is nice. But I would like more features. I can install my old features I like. But its like putting my old 2000's ish corolla climate control into a brand new BMW." And that is a <em>valid </em>point of view. Valid of course does not mean *right* or *wrong* only that it is his point of view and just fine.</p><p></p><p>I hear a lot on this board saying "There are 40 years of adventures" etc... What I really hear is "Did you really ever even use that 8-ball shifting stick? it was nice! Yeah, i mean you have to make a bit of modifications, but it would fit nicely in your new car." It as well is a perfectly <em>valid </em>position to have.</p><p></p><p>That does not make them mutually exclusive. </p><p></p><p>I would ask this: What do we gain by adding another forgotten realms campaign book? Sure it might look nice, but are we propelling that setting any further along? Do we gain anything other than updated spell and monster stat blocks? A shiny blue paint job is nice. But it is still <em>blue</em>.</p><p></p><p>What I would like if I had blank slate and blank check would be a 3 month release schedule. Dont freak out. Hear me out.</p><p></p><p>Quarter 1 Month 1: </p><p>Release a campaign book, part 1. It should be a $50 supplement. Given 350 pages 175-200 should be player options such as new tie-in classes, spells, feats, additional paths for existing classes, etc. 100-125 should be the 1st part of the adventure. the last 25-50 should describe the setting. It can be forgotten realms, dark sun, whatever. But for GODS SAKE, lets ADD something to the setting. Im tired of adventuring in icewind dale, the ten towns, the sword coast, neverwinter. GO SOMEWHERE NEW.</p><p></p><p>Release a FREE 50ish page suppliment to update the overall setting and give some new direction for the setting, as well as provide guidance for running in older time settings of each setting (for example pre-post-or during spellplague).</p><p></p><p>Unearthed Arcana- In keeping with the theme of "pencil not pen" development, The next three months should be additional races, magic items, feats, etc that didnt make the book. Additionally, there might be guidance on how to adapt the campaign to different settings.</p><p></p><p>Quarter 1 Month 2 - Dungeon and Dragon Magazine. I can see a place for Dragon. However, with unearthed arcana and the new rules articles I cannot see it having a place right away. However dungeon has a major place here. Dungeon should become a tri-monthly (as in 1 per three months) suppliment that compliments whatever setting/theme they have. Im thinking 3 feature length adventures, and perhaps 2-3 side treks.</p><p></p><p>Q1M3 - No major releases, or perhaps this is when the MMO's drop their releases.</p><p></p><p>Q2M1 - Adventure Book, Part 2. This should be exclusively an adventure product. Perhaps a 100-150 page book for $35. </p><p></p><p>Unearthed Arcana - Should continue to support the new setting, revealing new locations, perhaps new mechanics, new major lore figures, additional monsters.</p><p></p><p>Q2M2 - Dungeon, part 2. Perhaps these adventures touch old locations. </p><p></p><p>Q2M3 - Let the dust settle.</p><p></p><p>Q3 - process starts over.</p><p></p><p>That would be my blank check sort of release schedule. </p><p></p><p>Now as for the OP's specific requests: I can see a place for each of these. Except the digital tools. I want the RPG to be a Tech-free zone so much as requirements go. ITs nice to hand-roll characters again. But thats my personal preference. In addition i would say, what I hear is "I want this system to be more sophisticated, NOW." My answer is, its coming. Sorry its not NOW, and I am sorry that it isnt evolving the way you want it to. But we dont know what the next adventure will look like. We dont know what the free content is going to look like. You have a VALID point. You want more content and you think it should be about now. I agree. New content should have been rolling last year. But thats just me.</p><p></p><p>There is only one gripe I really have is the people who say "the game is only out a few months." I am sorry. That is wholly factually incorrect. For those of us in the playtest we have been basically playing the 5e chassis for more than 2 years. Even if you only count "official" releases, starter set and PHB came out this time last year. That is when 5E released... That is when the game became playable by the masses. I am sorry, the MM and the DMG add much needed core mechanics to the game, but the GAME has been OUT AND PLAYABLE since PHB. And that was the POINT of PHB coming first. It is OVERDUE for more content. But we shouldnt begrudge the company for trying a new approach, and wading in slowly. </p><p></p><p>If your interest in 5e is dependent upon lots of new splatbooks really fast... well, then you are playing the wrong edition. Sorry. Not every company, not every product, not every expectation is going to be met perfectly every time. I hear your comments, and I accept them. But I am one of those people that doesnt really WANT 4 e all over again. Im a little excited with what I have and what is planned and seeing where this new direction is going.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PallyFire84, post: 6534178, member: 6785518"] There is a lot of things I want to say, so I am sorry for the wall of text. I actually work in a communications field, and one of the major skills we work with is the ability to learn that what a person says and what that same person actually means most of the time are not the same thing. Before I reply to the OP I want to just draw a quick analogy. I think of D&D and the different editions as a pickup truck, or really just a generic vehicle. The core rules form the engine, tires, drive train, and the frame. There is also a very basic set of dials and meters and such. The setting is the style, leather seats, color, etc. And the features added are just that, the features added. I hear and understand the op's complaints. But what I really hear when I look at the bigger picture is "The new engine and car is nice. But I would like more features. I can install my old features I like. But its like putting my old 2000's ish corolla climate control into a brand new BMW." And that is a [I]valid [/I]point of view. Valid of course does not mean *right* or *wrong* only that it is his point of view and just fine. I hear a lot on this board saying "There are 40 years of adventures" etc... What I really hear is "Did you really ever even use that 8-ball shifting stick? it was nice! Yeah, i mean you have to make a bit of modifications, but it would fit nicely in your new car." It as well is a perfectly [I]valid [/I]position to have. That does not make them mutually exclusive. I would ask this: What do we gain by adding another forgotten realms campaign book? Sure it might look nice, but are we propelling that setting any further along? Do we gain anything other than updated spell and monster stat blocks? A shiny blue paint job is nice. But it is still [I]blue[/I]. What I would like if I had blank slate and blank check would be a 3 month release schedule. Dont freak out. Hear me out. Quarter 1 Month 1: Release a campaign book, part 1. It should be a $50 supplement. Given 350 pages 175-200 should be player options such as new tie-in classes, spells, feats, additional paths for existing classes, etc. 100-125 should be the 1st part of the adventure. the last 25-50 should describe the setting. It can be forgotten realms, dark sun, whatever. But for GODS SAKE, lets ADD something to the setting. Im tired of adventuring in icewind dale, the ten towns, the sword coast, neverwinter. GO SOMEWHERE NEW. Release a FREE 50ish page suppliment to update the overall setting and give some new direction for the setting, as well as provide guidance for running in older time settings of each setting (for example pre-post-or during spellplague). Unearthed Arcana- In keeping with the theme of "pencil not pen" development, The next three months should be additional races, magic items, feats, etc that didnt make the book. Additionally, there might be guidance on how to adapt the campaign to different settings. Quarter 1 Month 2 - Dungeon and Dragon Magazine. I can see a place for Dragon. However, with unearthed arcana and the new rules articles I cannot see it having a place right away. However dungeon has a major place here. Dungeon should become a tri-monthly (as in 1 per three months) suppliment that compliments whatever setting/theme they have. Im thinking 3 feature length adventures, and perhaps 2-3 side treks. Q1M3 - No major releases, or perhaps this is when the MMO's drop their releases. Q2M1 - Adventure Book, Part 2. This should be exclusively an adventure product. Perhaps a 100-150 page book for $35. Unearthed Arcana - Should continue to support the new setting, revealing new locations, perhaps new mechanics, new major lore figures, additional monsters. Q2M2 - Dungeon, part 2. Perhaps these adventures touch old locations. Q2M3 - Let the dust settle. Q3 - process starts over. That would be my blank check sort of release schedule. Now as for the OP's specific requests: I can see a place for each of these. Except the digital tools. I want the RPG to be a Tech-free zone so much as requirements go. ITs nice to hand-roll characters again. But thats my personal preference. In addition i would say, what I hear is "I want this system to be more sophisticated, NOW." My answer is, its coming. Sorry its not NOW, and I am sorry that it isnt evolving the way you want it to. But we dont know what the next adventure will look like. We dont know what the free content is going to look like. You have a VALID point. You want more content and you think it should be about now. I agree. New content should have been rolling last year. But thats just me. There is only one gripe I really have is the people who say "the game is only out a few months." I am sorry. That is wholly factually incorrect. For those of us in the playtest we have been basically playing the 5e chassis for more than 2 years. Even if you only count "official" releases, starter set and PHB came out this time last year. That is when 5E released... That is when the game became playable by the masses. I am sorry, the MM and the DMG add much needed core mechanics to the game, but the GAME has been OUT AND PLAYABLE since PHB. And that was the POINT of PHB coming first. It is OVERDUE for more content. But we shouldnt begrudge the company for trying a new approach, and wading in slowly. If your interest in 5e is dependent upon lots of new splatbooks really fast... well, then you are playing the wrong edition. Sorry. Not every company, not every product, not every expectation is going to be met perfectly every time. I hear your comments, and I accept them. But I am one of those people that doesnt really WANT 4 e all over again. Im a little excited with what I have and what is planned and seeing where this new direction is going. [/QUOTE]
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