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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6553049" data-attributes="member: 22779">To be fair, I never really got into Pathfinder, so my experience is based on when Paizo produced Dungeon and Dragon.&nbsp; I know from those AP's, that there was a boat load of material from all sorts of different supplements used in those modules.&nbsp; I just assumed that Pathfinder would be no different.See, the problem I'm seeing with your interpretations is you're forgetting scale.&nbsp; What is &quot;great&quot; for Paizo isn't necessarily great for WOTC.&nbsp; Paizo didn't jump ahead of 4e.&nbsp; 4e died first.&nbsp; It wasn't until WOTC stopped producing ANY material for 4e that you saw Pathfinder take top spot.&nbsp; And, look at now, in the first quarter, when competing in the stores, you have half a dozen (or so) WOTC products competing against a couple of THOUSAND Paizo products and 5e takes top spot.Your presumptions that &quot;the bottom fell out of 4e&quot; are unwarranted.&nbsp; 4e failed to achieve the goal of tripling the size of the RPG market.&nbsp; Yup, that's true.&nbsp; But, outside of that goal, no one has any idea how well or poorly 4e actually did.&nbsp; The fact that you had just shy of 100 k DDi subscribers tends to point to a pretty darn healthy hobby size.&nbsp; What's the subscription rate for Pathfinder?&nbsp; Is there a 100k subscribers?&nbsp; Did they actually manage to double the number of subs they had when they held both Dungeon and Dragon?&nbsp; I don't know, and I'm fairly sure you don't either.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6553049, member: 22779"] To be fair, I never really got into Pathfinder, so my experience is based on when Paizo produced Dungeon and Dragon. I know from those AP's, that there was a boat load of material from all sorts of different supplements used in those modules. I just assumed that Pathfinder would be no different. See, the problem I'm seeing with your interpretations is you're forgetting scale. What is "great" for Paizo isn't necessarily great for WOTC. Paizo didn't jump ahead of 4e. 4e died first. It wasn't until WOTC stopped producing ANY material for 4e that you saw Pathfinder take top spot. And, look at now, in the first quarter, when competing in the stores, you have half a dozen (or so) WOTC products competing against a couple of THOUSAND Paizo products and 5e takes top spot. Your presumptions that "the bottom fell out of 4e" are unwarranted. 4e failed to achieve the goal of tripling the size of the RPG market. Yup, that's true. But, outside of that goal, no one has any idea how well or poorly 4e actually did. The fact that you had just shy of 100 k DDi subscribers tends to point to a pretty darn healthy hobby size. What's the subscription rate for Pathfinder? Is there a 100k subscribers? Did they actually manage to double the number of subs they had when they held both Dungeon and Dragon? I don't know, and I'm fairly sure you don't either. [/QUOTE]

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