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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 6558791" data-attributes="member: 957"><p>When Essentials came out you, personally, were very firm that it was nothing whatsoever like 3.5 in concept or purpose and yo, personally, also made it completely clear that you did not think 4E was in the slightest trouble at the time.</p><p></p><p>A LOT of people were saying that 4E was in serious trouble. This does not dispute the fact that there was a solid, devoted fanbase. But there were tons of arguments about 4E going on. And it was easy to walk into any game store and find more people saying "4E sucks" than loving it. (Yes, you could also find places where the 4E love was strong) But, again, that split was huge.</p><p></p><p>There is no comparison to 3E when 3.5 came along. There were people who HATED 3E. But they were complaining about how it had ruined the industry and made it hard to find other games. And they were vastly outnumbered. </p><p></p><p>Do you have any evidence that 3E was hurting? </p><p>Essentials does not in any way show that 4E was hurting. A lot of people recognized that 4E was hurting at the time and made the connection. In hindsight it is even easier to make the connection, as your 180 on the subject supports. But the evidence of 4E's overall popularity problems was all around.</p><p></p><p>For 3E all you have is 3.5. </p><p></p><p>You can LOL all you want. But tell me that 3E wasn't completely dominating the market at that time. Go ahead and call what was being referenced as "the second golden age" was failing. It is absurd. And, frankly, that your sour grapes attitude has brought you to that rationalization is gold for the entertainment value. You can say it wasn't highly popular and the people who were there will know better and nothing in the past or the future will change.</p><p></p><p>I can make the case that 4E was hurting without ever saying "Essentials". I can make the case the 3.5 was entirely because 3E was doing so well.</p><p></p><p>You seem to concede (now) that 4E was hurting. But then you jump to the fact that 3.5 exists as you only point of evidence and conclude the 3E was hurting. It is like the witch trial in Monty Python. </p><p></p><p>You've not only concluded that wet streets cause rain, you have moved on to "".., and swimming pools are wet, therefore cars drive there."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 6558791, member: 957"] When Essentials came out you, personally, were very firm that it was nothing whatsoever like 3.5 in concept or purpose and yo, personally, also made it completely clear that you did not think 4E was in the slightest trouble at the time. A LOT of people were saying that 4E was in serious trouble. This does not dispute the fact that there was a solid, devoted fanbase. But there were tons of arguments about 4E going on. And it was easy to walk into any game store and find more people saying "4E sucks" than loving it. (Yes, you could also find places where the 4E love was strong) But, again, that split was huge. There is no comparison to 3E when 3.5 came along. There were people who HATED 3E. But they were complaining about how it had ruined the industry and made it hard to find other games. And they were vastly outnumbered. Do you have any evidence that 3E was hurting? Essentials does not in any way show that 4E was hurting. A lot of people recognized that 4E was hurting at the time and made the connection. In hindsight it is even easier to make the connection, as your 180 on the subject supports. But the evidence of 4E's overall popularity problems was all around. For 3E all you have is 3.5. You can LOL all you want. But tell me that 3E wasn't completely dominating the market at that time. Go ahead and call what was being referenced as "the second golden age" was failing. It is absurd. And, frankly, that your sour grapes attitude has brought you to that rationalization is gold for the entertainment value. You can say it wasn't highly popular and the people who were there will know better and nothing in the past or the future will change. I can make the case that 4E was hurting without ever saying "Essentials". I can make the case the 3.5 was entirely because 3E was doing so well. You seem to concede (now) that 4E was hurting. But then you jump to the fact that 3.5 exists as you only point of evidence and conclude the 3E was hurting. It is like the witch trial in Monty Python. You've not only concluded that wet streets cause rain, you have moved on to "".., and swimming pools are wet, therefore cars drive there." [/QUOTE]
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