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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 6567078" data-attributes="member: 957">This is stretching a bit.Yes, there is some truth to this.&nbsp; But the idea that there wasn't a general expectation is really misrepresenting.3E was flat out stealing ideas from a lot of popular games of the time.&nbsp; It was frequently described as the &quot;HEROiziation&quot; of D&amp;D.&nbsp; 4E on the other hand was aimed at massively increasing the size of the fanbase.It is fair to say that they didn't know if this would work or not.&nbsp; But they made it clear they knew ahead of time that it would alienate a portion of their existing fanbase.There were often repeated comments that 4E &quot;didn't need us&quot; so nobody cared that they were losing some fans.&nbsp; Now this was far and away the 4E fanbase making these comments.&nbsp; But the dragon crap cartoon and ill-considered unofficial &quot;fired&quot; comment had a very fertile ground of 4e fans saying &quot;that!&quot; in response to it.&nbsp; You are spinning beyond a reasonable interpretation of what was done and said.It is vastly more accurate to say they knew full well they were turning their back on a big chunk of their existing fan base&nbsp; (if you are into world building 4e will not be the game for you; we fired them).&nbsp; They were hoping that the WoW fanbase would make up for the sacrifice many time over.&nbsp; They were wrong.But even that was not unpredictable.&nbsp; I've pointed out before that the fraction of TTRPGers in the population is fixed within a small range.&nbsp; Just because a lot more people are willing to sit at a computer and &quot;pretend to be an elf&quot; does not mean that any of those people have the slightest interest in sitting around a table pretending to be an elf.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 6567078, member: 957"] This is stretching a bit. Yes, there is some truth to this. But the idea that there wasn't a general expectation is really misrepresenting. 3E was flat out stealing ideas from a lot of popular games of the time. It was frequently described as the "HEROiziation" of D&D. 4E on the other hand was aimed at massively increasing the size of the fanbase. It is fair to say that they didn't know if this would work or not. But they made it clear they knew ahead of time that it would alienate a portion of their existing fanbase. There were often repeated comments that 4E "didn't need us" so nobody cared that they were losing some fans. Now this was far and away the 4E fanbase making these comments. But the dragon crap cartoon and ill-considered unofficial "fired" comment had a very fertile ground of 4e fans saying "that!" in response to it. You are spinning beyond a reasonable interpretation of what was done and said. It is vastly more accurate to say they knew full well they were turning their back on a big chunk of their existing fan base (if you are into world building 4e will not be the game for you; we fired them). They were hoping that the WoW fanbase would make up for the sacrifice many time over. They were wrong. But even that was not unpredictable. I've pointed out before that the fraction of TTRPGers in the population is fixed within a small range. Just because a lot more people are willing to sit at a computer and "pretend to be an elf" does not mean that any of those people have the slightest interest in sitting around a table pretending to be an elf. [/QUOTE]

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