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<blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 8773174" data-attributes="member: 58172">Yeah, the 2014 Versatile property is worthless.It is better to just treat versatile as the same thing as twohanded, but optionally usuable onehanded. Compare the claymore sword. It is primarily for twohanded use, even if one can wield it effectively onehanded.For D&amp;D, both twohanded and versatile should deal the same damage, bumping the base damage die upward two sizes.Then versatile becomes a worthwhile choice, whether to use the versatile weapon onehanded with shield or with freehand for casting or grapple, or to use the weapon twohanded for more damage. It becomes worthwhile to alternate.Note, that several twohanded weapons also have the heavy property, to nudge the damage die up one size.For example:Longsword 1d8 slash: versatile (1d12)Greatsword 2d6 slash: twohanded, heavyThen the difference between 1d12 (average 6.5) and 2d6 (average 7) is close enough that both weapons are good choices, even if the longsword is primarily wielded twohanded.So the die sizes are?1 › d3 › d4 › d6 › d8 › d10 › d12 › 2d6</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Yaarel, post: 8773174, member: 58172"] Yeah, the 2014 Versatile property is worthless. It is better to just treat versatile as the same thing as twohanded, but optionally usuable onehanded. Compare the claymore sword. It is primarily for twohanded use, even if one can wield it effectively onehanded. For D&D, both twohanded and versatile should deal the same damage, bumping the base damage die upward two sizes. Then versatile becomes a worthwhile choice, whether to use the versatile weapon onehanded with shield or with freehand for casting or grapple, or to use the weapon twohanded for more damage. It becomes worthwhile to alternate. Note, that several twohanded weapons also have the heavy property, to nudge the damage die up one size. For example: Longsword 1d8 slash: versatile (1d12) Greatsword 2d6 slash: twohanded, heavy Then the difference between 1d12 (average 6.5) and 2d6 (average 7) is close enough that both weapons are good choices, even if the longsword is primarily wielded twohanded. So the die sizes are? 1 › d3 › d4 › d6 › d8 › d10 › d12 › 2d6 [/QUOTE]

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