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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Petrosian" data-source="post: 180390" data-attributes="member: 1149">Myu experience is that the summoning spells are OK, not really in need of tweaking too much, although an expanded list which offers more creatures but not more powerful creatures seems not bad.A summoner who just looks at the combat power will miss a lot of the spell potentcy at mid levels. A formian worker gang can do a lot for you.By the V and VI is not the IV, you have creatures who can do damage reliably and do a significant amount of it. The duration of the spell now is long enough and the creature tough enough that he can stay around. Dire celestial bear anyone?At lower level they are mostly distractions and need to be used intelligently, which also makes whether or not you can talk to it important.If I was going to improve the spells at all, i would add free verbal communication between caster and summoner and not require some outside means to communicate.That would probably make for a good feat, as matter of fact.Conjure SpeakGeneral featReq: Ability to summon sentient creatures by spellAny creatures summoned by the caster can, if they are intelligent, understand his commands and orders clearly. He can instruct them and listen to them regardless of whether they in fact share a language normally.</blockquote>