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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Treebore" data-source="post: 5036226" data-attributes="member: 10177">You know, core 2E is actually darn good. The VAST majority of complaints I hear about 2E involve kits and the optional rule books, not core. Since I never used the optional rulebooks (I did pull out 3 or 4 rules) en masses, and only ever allowed 4 or 5 kits to be used, that may explain why I stayed with 2E for 10 years.I have rarely seen any complaints about what is in the core books, at least not nearly on the scale of what I see about 1E.So I would have to agree, maybe starting with 2E CORE is a good starting point. This is intended as an exercise of individual ideas on how to rebuild 1E into the best game possible, so I would say run with it.Hmmm.. now that I have been thinking about I do remember thinking that 2E was just a cleaned up 1E with skills thrown in and monster bumped up in strength so they would actually be a challenge to high level play. Plus some tweaks to a number of spells, and changing the spell level ranges, etc...In fact I am pretty sure a lot of my house rules for my 1E game were in 2E, including  skills, except my skill system was far more in line with what we see in 3E. Which we returned to after trying one 2E game by the book.</blockquote>