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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheAuldGrump" data-source="post: 5612062" data-attributes="member: 6957">This doesn't have to be the case in Pathfinder - it pretty much does describe how the folks in my 'grown ups' game play, but the teens 'n' tweens game sees a lot of variation. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  The dwarf likes to open the battle with a bull rush, the halberd wielding elf loves Trip, etc..Their parents, on the other hand, seem to prefer going toe to toe, and not explore some of the other possibilities, with a couple of exceptions (who are married, and have a kid in the teens 'n' tweens game...).  I blame the 'twenty minutes of fun' quote for this. All Action! All the Time! (This is also where I think 4e comes closest to fitting the 'MORPG accusations' - not the rules, but in the idea that the whole game should be about action.)That said... I kind of think that the split has happened, Pathfinder has picked up the folks who don't want 'All Action! All the Time!' We have found a home, and that home is getting larger as more folks move into the neighborhood. 4e players would be disappointed if WotC tried to roll back on the changes. So let 5e build on 4e - I won't play it, but there are others who will. Them losing their fun won't make me enjoy my fun better, so if they are happy then continue to aim the game at them. If they tire of it then Pathfinder has room.As long as the hobby is flourishing then let the games travel their separate paths. The fact that both 4e and Pathfinder are doing well seems to say that there is plenty of room for both. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> I would rather see both grow than see either one die out.I will admit to being an alarmist when 4e dropped what I liked in gaming, and did not think that Pathfinder would grow like it has. But it is burgeoning like a rose, so my fears appear to have been largely groundless.  The Auld Grump</blockquote>

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