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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 7524257" data-attributes="member: 1465">First of all, that's BS. Those features entitle the PCS to learn that information, but don't preclude other waysto obtain the same. In general the game assumes the DM doesn't show monsters stats to the players, but the designers are not fools and they know that many players own the MM, or know many monsters already by having encountered them before. Still, those features are useful against creatures they don't know yet, including presumably all unique creatures such as NPCs.Knowledge skills are still totally valid to know stuff about monsters, they are just more subject to DM's adjudication, and rightly so! Because every DM has the right to decide what creatures in her fantasy world are commonly known and which are rare, unheard of, or misknown.Further, those abilities do NOT represent knowing, they represent sensing or figuring out, in factthey require observation or interaction. So there is narrative space for them alongside knowledge skills. That means, you are totally fine continuing using knowledge skills for monsters knowledge in your favourite way. Speaking of which, I do not allow them&nbsp; too much for this purpose, but at the same time I require no action for a knowledge skill, because I prefer the &quot;what you already know&quot; interpretation over the &quot;what you can recall by actively thinking hard&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 7524257, member: 1465"] First of all, that's BS. Those features entitle the PCS to learn that information, but don't preclude other waysto obtain the same. In general the game assumes the DM doesn't show monsters stats to the players, but the designers are not fools and they know that many players own the MM, or know many monsters already by having encountered them before. Still, those features are useful against creatures they don't know yet, including presumably all unique creatures such as NPCs. Knowledge skills are still totally valid to know stuff about monsters, they are just more subject to DM's adjudication, and rightly so! Because every DM has the right to decide what creatures in her fantasy world are commonly known and which are rare, unheard of, or misknown. Further, those abilities do NOT represent knowing, they represent sensing or figuring out, in factthey require observation or interaction. So there is narrative space for them alongside knowledge skills. That means, you are totally fine continuing using knowledge skills for monsters knowledge in your favourite way. Speaking of which, I do not allow them too much for this purpose, but at the same time I require no action for a knowledge skill, because I prefer the "what you already know" interpretation over the "what you can recall by actively thinking hard". [/QUOTE]

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