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<blockquote data-quote="JRRNeiklot" data-source="post: 1792250" data-attributes="member: 717">A while back, I posted my proposed changes to the 3e rules over in the rules forum and got flamed for it.&nbsp; Seemed like everyone thought I was gonna sneak into their house, rip out the pages from their books and replace them with my house rules.&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/nervous.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":heh:" title="Nervous Laugh&nbsp; &nbsp; :heh:" data-shortname=":heh:" /> Anyway, my solution to bringing back a quicker, rules light feel, was to bring back old school multiclassing with separate exp charts, lose feats and AOOs.&nbsp; I redesigned most classes to mimic or resemble their 1e counterparts, yet ept the basic d20 mindset.&nbsp; I scaled the attacks back, so only fighter types got extra attacks - the fighter gaining the best rate.&nbsp; These attacks were all at the same base attack, but were staggerred, ala AD&amp;D.&nbsp; I banned several spells and scaled back others to lower the power thresh-hold - no Cat's Grace, GMW, etc.&nbsp; The fighter btw, had the following abilities that no one else got:1st level:&nbsp; Weapon Specialization:&nbsp; A fighter gains +1 to hit and +2 to damage with one weapon of his choice.5th:&nbsp; Weapon Mastery:&nbsp; The fighter gains an additional +1 to attack and damage with his chosen weapon.9th:&nbsp; High Mastery:&nbsp; The fighter gains an additional +1 to hit and damage with his weapon of choice.12th:&nbsp; Grand Mastery:&nbsp; The damage dice of the fighter’s weapon of choice increases one step.&nbsp; For example, a broad sword does 2d4 damage, but in the hands of a grandmaster, it woud do 2d6.&nbsp; A weapon with a d12 damage die does 2d8 instead.15th:&nbsp; 2nd Weapon:&nbsp; The fighter gains a 2nd weapon that he may apply all his specialization to.18th:&nbsp; 3rd Weapon: The fighter gains a 3rd weapon that he may apply all his specialization to.Basically, I made my own version of C&amp;C, and have since switched over to C&amp;C entirely, as I am one of the playtesters, though I still prefer the 1e classes, or my homebrew classes.I'll be using a hybrid once the C&amp;C books hit the shelves.&nbsp; I like the old style rules, but I do like some of the new mechanics, such as grappling, bull's rush, etc.&nbsp; But using all the 3e rules, even just the core books, slows gameplay to a crawl imo.Don't get me wrong, I'm one of those that waited breathlessly for 3e and even started running games with the rules from Eric's old site.&nbsp; I remember Henry's &quot;C'mon August!&quot;, and I couldn't have agreed more.&nbsp; I really liked 3e for about a year or so, but then it suddenly became more of a chore than a game.&nbsp; I've seen a lot of threads lately about 1e or simplifying 3e, and I really think C&amp;C is what a lot of us are looking for.&nbsp; I'm not completely happy with all of C&amp;C, but it's close enough that I can make it the game I want without butchering half the game, which is what I did with 3e.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JRRNeiklot, post: 1792250, member: 717"] A while back, I posted my proposed changes to the 3e rules over in the rules forum and got flamed for it. Seemed like everyone thought I was gonna sneak into their house, rip out the pages from their books and replace them with my house rules. :heh: Anyway, my solution to bringing back a quicker, rules light feel, was to bring back old school multiclassing with separate exp charts, lose feats and AOOs. I redesigned most classes to mimic or resemble their 1e counterparts, yet ept the basic d20 mindset. I scaled the attacks back, so only fighter types got extra attacks - the fighter gaining the best rate. These attacks were all at the same base attack, but were staggerred, ala AD&D. I banned several spells and scaled back others to lower the power thresh-hold - no Cat's Grace, GMW, etc. The fighter btw, had the following abilities that no one else got: 1st level: Weapon Specialization: A fighter gains +1 to hit and +2 to damage with one weapon of his choice. 5th: Weapon Mastery: The fighter gains an additional +1 to attack and damage with his chosen weapon. 9th: High Mastery: The fighter gains an additional +1 to hit and damage with his weapon of choice. 12th: Grand Mastery: The damage dice of the fighter’s weapon of choice increases one step. For example, a broad sword does 2d4 damage, but in the hands of a grandmaster, it woud do 2d6. A weapon with a d12 damage die does 2d8 instead. 15th: 2nd Weapon: The fighter gains a 2nd weapon that he may apply all his specialization to. 18th: 3rd Weapon: The fighter gains a 3rd weapon that he may apply all his specialization to. Basically, I made my own version of C&C, and have since switched over to C&C entirely, as I am one of the playtesters, though I still prefer the 1e classes, or my homebrew classes. I'll be using a hybrid once the C&C books hit the shelves. I like the old style rules, but I do like some of the new mechanics, such as grappling, bull's rush, etc. But using all the 3e rules, even just the core books, slows gameplay to a crawl imo. Don't get me wrong, I'm one of those that waited breathlessly for 3e and even started running games with the rules from Eric's old site. I remember Henry's "C'mon August!", and I couldn't have agreed more. I really liked 3e for about a year or so, but then it suddenly became more of a chore than a game. I've seen a lot of threads lately about 1e or simplifying 3e, and I really think C&C is what a lot of us are looking for. I'm not completely happy with all of C&C, but it's close enough that I can make it the game I want without butchering half the game, which is what I did with 3e. [/QUOTE]

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