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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7039181" data-attributes="member: 6795602">I'm with you that what you are saying is a very good interpretation of the rules in the PHB.&nbsp; It's also the reading I would come away with.&nbsp; However, it's not the only way to read them.&nbsp; It's also not a clearly stated rule anywhere that a &quot;shove is a special melee attack&quot;.&nbsp; Instead it's &quot;When using the attack action you can use a special melee attack to shove a creature&quot;.&nbsp; That's not the same thing.&nbsp; The way it's written only indicates that there is a special melee attack you can take to shove a creature and you can only do this when using the attack action.&nbsp; Saying it one way does not make it true the other.&nbsp; For example:A square is a rectangle but a rectangle is not a square.So there is a special melee attack that can be used to shove.&nbsp; That does not necessitate that a shove is always a special melee attack.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7039181, member: 6795602"] I'm with you that what you are saying is a very good interpretation of the rules in the PHB. It's also the reading I would come away with. However, it's not the only way to read them. It's also not a clearly stated rule anywhere that a "shove is a special melee attack". Instead it's "When using the attack action you can use a special melee attack to shove a creature". That's not the same thing. The way it's written only indicates that there is a special melee attack you can take to shove a creature and you can only do this when using the attack action. Saying it one way does not make it true the other. For example: A square is a rectangle but a rectangle is not a square. So there is a special melee attack that can be used to shove. That does not necessitate that a shove is always a special melee attack. [/QUOTE]

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