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<blockquote data-quote="Water Bob" data-source="post: 6057375" data-attributes="member: 92305"><p>By the way, I cleansed the example so that answers would not focus on character class advantages or anything else outside of the core rules. I probably should have made all three characters Fighters, in hind sight.</p><p> </p><p>The original example was written by another poster on another forum for a 3.5E Clone game. That site doesn't get a lot of traffic, and I was intrigued by the question, so I repeated it here.</p><p> </p><p>The original example features two men at a bar, a PC and an NPC Gambler, where the PC notices the Gambler is cheating, and therefore takes a swing at him. A second PC is 25 feet away, at the bar, ordering a drink.</p><p> </p><p>I cleaned up the example so that I wouldn't digress the discussion into lines about terrain (the table and chairs and drunks in the way) and other lines of discussion that muddies up the focus on the game rules.</p><p> </p><p>I'm interested in how best to use the game rules to cover the situation I outlined in the OP.</p><p> </p><p>In that other forum, one thought I had was to use the Advantaged/Disadvanted rule to place a penalty modifier on the 2nd PC's (The Thief in the OP) initiative throw--to account for the disadvantage the 2nd PC (Thief) has in the distance that he's got to cross to get into the table fight (fight between the Fighter and Ranger). But, upon reflection, that's a bad idea and bad use of the rules becuse the Rule of Unintended Consequences flares up: Think of the impact that would have on Charges, besides the fact that the character is having his initiative penalized <em>after</em> his actions are chosen. Choice of action should not penalize nish unless the Ready Action or Hold Action is used.</p><p> </p><p>So, I'm kinda scratching my head to figure if there is a better application of the 3.5 rules to apply to the situation outlined in the OP.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Water Bob, post: 6057375, member: 92305"] By the way, I cleansed the example so that answers would not focus on character class advantages or anything else outside of the core rules. I probably should have made all three characters Fighters, in hind sight. The original example was written by another poster on another forum for a 3.5E Clone game. That site doesn't get a lot of traffic, and I was intrigued by the question, so I repeated it here. The original example features two men at a bar, a PC and an NPC Gambler, where the PC notices the Gambler is cheating, and therefore takes a swing at him. A second PC is 25 feet away, at the bar, ordering a drink. I cleaned up the example so that I wouldn't digress the discussion into lines about terrain (the table and chairs and drunks in the way) and other lines of discussion that muddies up the focus on the game rules. I'm interested in how best to use the game rules to cover the situation I outlined in the OP. In that other forum, one thought I had was to use the Advantaged/Disadvanted rule to place a penalty modifier on the 2nd PC's (The Thief in the OP) initiative throw--to account for the disadvantage the 2nd PC (Thief) has in the distance that he's got to cross to get into the table fight (fight between the Fighter and Ranger). But, upon reflection, that's a bad idea and bad use of the rules becuse the Rule of Unintended Consequences flares up: Think of the impact that would have on Charges, besides the fact that the character is having his initiative penalized [I]after[/I] his actions are chosen. Choice of action should not penalize nish unless the Ready Action or Hold Action is used. So, I'm kinda scratching my head to figure if there is a better application of the 3.5 rules to apply to the situation outlined in the OP. [/QUOTE]
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