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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CroBob" data-source="post: 6057486" data-attributes="member: 6683307">1. Was there any bluffs or insights rolled to gain a surprise round by anyone?2. The thief saw what was about to go down, and covered the distance before anyone was actually throwing any punches. The fighter may have taken a more aggressive stance or whatever, but the punch was simply not thrown, yet. If the rogue were reacting to the punch, then obviously he would have to wait for the punch regardless what his initiative was. However you want to? Surprise round. Who cares if the rules are especially believable? Dudes got into a fight. Technically, there is not fight until the first attack role is made, though. If it's the punch the rogue is reacting to, then he can't act until after the punch... though he may be waiting for it with a held action, or something.</blockquote>