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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Man in the Funny Hat" data-source="post: 6057870" data-attributes="member: 32740">So it's a good thing then that the rules don't work that way. My 3.5 DMG says explicitly:Do you have references for these contrary explicit, broad, discretionary powers that DM's are to use instead of the above quote? I'm not asserting they're not there (yet) but I sure don't remember reading them and didn't stumble across them when looking up the rules in the PH and DMG again before writing my post. Death to the fairies then I guess.  The DMG goes to lengths to delineate the 3 limited methods in its rules for beginning an encounter based strictly on "awareness", but no more than that.  While I didn't re-read the whole DMG the only bit I could find that I can see might be confused with "broad, discretionary, powers" is the 3-sentence paragraph on DMG p.25 under the heading of "Adjudicating Actions Not Covered" which says that the rules can't cover everything, the DM will have to make up rules on the spot to cover what the rules don't, and that the rules for combat actions should be used as guidelines for making those rules. So, in repeating the DMG I said that the situation was not covered by the rules, that in the given situation the DM needs to make his own rule, and I suggested the simplest and IMO most sensible thing to do is to otherwise follow all normal rules for combat and simply declare that the ranger goes first in initiative order without rolling. And another fairie skull is crushed under the heel of my iron boot.</blockquote>

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