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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nifft" data-source="post: 3336843" data-attributes="member: 6562">There are several problems with the Cleric as-is.1/ Too generic.2/ Too few class features (really, you get all of them at 1st level).3/ Too much to gain by PrC'ing (relates to #2 above).You propose to solve #1, but I think you could kill #2 and #3 at the same time, if you choose.Here's a thread where some of us discuss Clerics as spontaneous casters: <a href="http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=150983" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=150983</a>There's a list of spells in there that I suggest being the "core" 33 granted spells, in addition to all the spells from their Domains.If you take a spontaneous caster like that, each Cleric can (to a degree) pick his own list, gaining additionally all the spells from his chosen Domain, plus whatever each specialty Priest gives.Here's the baseline that I'd suggest (IMHO the most generic):Pelorian PriestHD: d8BAB: 3/4Good Saves: Will, FortitudeSkills: 2 + Int -- Concentration (Con), Craft (Int), Diplomacy (Cha), Heal (Wis), Knowledge (arcana, history, religion, the planes) (Int), Profession (Wis), and Spellcraft (Int).Spells Known: as Battle Sorcerer (like Sorcerer, but -1 at each level to a minimum of 1), but also gains bonus spells known at each level (see below).Spells per Day: as Battle Sorcerer (like Sorcerer, but -1 at each level), gains extra spells per day for a high Wisdom. Unlike a Battle Sorcerer, a Priest knows all 0 level spells (orisons) automatically.Level -- Special1 -- Turn Undead, 1st Domain, Orisons, Cure Light Wounds, Bless Water2 -- Protection from Alignment, Detect Alignment3 -- Remove Fear, Detect Undead4 -- Cure Moderate Wounds, Lesser Restoration5 -- Consecrate, Augury6 -- Magic Circle vs. Alignment, Cure Serious Wounds7 -- Remove Curse, Remove Disease8 -- Cure Critical Wounds, Death Ward9 -- Restoration, Neutralize Poison10 -- Atonement, Break Enchantment, 2nd Domain11 -- Commune, Hallow12 -- Forbiddance, Heal13 -- Hero's Feast, Word of Recall14 -- Greater Restoration15 -- Resurrection16 -- Holy Aura17 -- Dimensional Lock18 -- True Resurrection19 -- Gate20 -- Miracle, 3rd Domain(The stuff in red is the stuff I think you could take away to replace with other abilities.)Here's a sample of how I'd change it for a different specialty priest:Kordian PriestHD: d10BAB: 3/4Good Saves: FortitudeSkills: 4 + Int -- Balance (Dex), Climb (Str), Concentration (Con), Craft (Int), Diplomacy (Cha), Heal (Wis), Jump (Str), Knowledge (arcana, history, religion, the planes) (Int), Profession (Wis), Ride (Dex), Spellcraft (Int) and Swim (Str).Spells Known: as Battle Sorcerer (like Sorcerer, but -1 at each level to a minimum of 1), but also gains bonus spells known at each level (see below).Spells per Day: as Battle Sorcerer (like Sorcerer, but -1 at each level), gains extra spells per day for a high Wisdom. Unlike a Battle Sorcerer, a Priest knows all 0 level spells (orisons) automatically.Level -- Special1 -- 1st Domain, Orisons, Cure Light Wounds, Bless Water2 -- Protection from Alignment, Detect Alignment3 -- Remove Fear, Detect Undead4 -- Cure Moderate Wounds, Lesser Restoration5 -- Consecrate, Augury6 -- Magic Circle vs. Alignment, Cure Serious Wounds, Quicken Domain spell 1/day7 -- Remove Curse, Remove Disease8 -- Cure Critical Wounds, Death Ward9 -- Restoration, Neutralize Poison10 -- Atonement, Break Enchantment, 2nd Domain11 -- Commune, Hallow12 -- Forbiddance, Heal, Quicken Domain spell 2/day13 -- Hero's Feast, Word of Recall14 -- Greater Restoration15 -- Resurrection16 -- Holy Aura, Quicken Domain spell 3/day17 -- Dimensional Lock18 -- True Resurrection19 -- Gate20 -- Miracle, 3rd Domain(Why did I pick Quicken? Because his Domain spells may be combat buffs, and those are things I want him to be using in combat. This ability will help mitigate ambushes. Alternately, and equally powerfully, we could force him to take the Strength domain at 1st level, and give more daily uses of its domain power at these levels.)For a different direction:Boccabian PriestHD: d6BAB: 1/2Good Saves: WillSkills: 6 + Int -- Concentration (Con), Craft (Int), Diplomacy (Cha), Heal (Wis), Knowledge (all) (Int), Profession (Wis), and Spellcraft (Int).Spells Known: as Sorcerer, but also gains bonus spells known at each level (see below).Spells per Day: as Sorcerer, but gains extra spells per day for a high Wisdom. Unlike a Sorcerer, a Priest knows all 0 level spells (orisons) automatically.Level -- Special1 -- Lore, 1st Domain, Orisons, Cure Light Wounds, Bless Water2 -- Protection from Alignment, Detect Alignment3 -- Remove Fear, Detect Undead4 -- Cure Moderate Wounds, Lesser Restoration5 -- Consecrate, Augury6 -- Magic Circle vs. Alignment, Cure Serious Wounds7 -- Remove Curse, Remove Disease, 2nd Domain8 -- Cure Critical Wounds, Death Ward9 -- Restoration, Neutralize Poison10 -- Atonement, Break Enchantment11 -- Commune, Hallow12 -- Forbiddance, Heal13 -- Hero's Feast, Word of Recall14 -- Greater Restoration, 3rd Domain15 -- Resurrection16 -- Holy Aura17 -- Dimensional Lock18 -- True Resurrection19 -- Gate20 -- Miracle, 4th DomainLore: As Bardic Lore.Cheers, -- N</blockquote>

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