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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Herzog" data-source="post: 5462234" data-attributes="member: 25696">I think what you have here are two things: 1. A playable race with 4 racial HD and an LA of +2, with the abilities you specified. You should compare it to other playable races to see whether the LA is correct. (given the amount of special abilities I think you'll need to increase the LA significantly, but I haven't looked at it in detail myself) 2. A class with entry requirement 'Race: Dragon', with only 14 levels.So, actually, more like a prestige class. (at least, I assume you have to be a dragon to take it.)You get d12 HD and full Bab AND 6 skill points AND NA increase AND bonus feats AND a special attack damage increase more powerfull than that of, for instance, the rogue.Also, I think I read somewhere you wanted to give them all good saves.Too powerfull: yes. Advice: put the NA increase, bonus feat and breath weapon increase in as options to select from at every two levels. In other words: you either get a bonus feat, a NA increase OR an increase in breath weapon damage.In addition, reduce the optional Breath weapon damage increase to +1d8, restrict the bonus feats to a pre-set list of options, and reduce the number of skillpoints to 4 or even 2. This will, of course, eventually result in a 'Dragon' far less powerfull than the ones in the MM when they arrive at the same HD.However, those are not the stats you should be comparing against (which, from your posts, I think you have been doing). You SHOULD compare the class against other classes and/or prestige classes.Then, and only then, will you be able to arrive at a class you could use in a normal campaign. Of course, if you should open up the class to all characters, in something like an all dragon campaign, all bets are off. In that case, you only need to compare to the other player characters, who will probably all take as many lvls in this class as is possible.</blockquote>

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