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Message: <blockquote data-quote="reapersaurus" data-source="post: 363252" data-attributes="member: 1194">It's tough for a player to do anything but take whatever over-powering argument that someone brings up during character creation as gospel without complaint, in fear of looking like a player trying to get too much, or being difficult, so I really can't respond properly to your points, I fear. (this qualifies as my most difficulty-worded sentence I've ever written, but I think it's exactly accurate to what I feel).I have askd the boards about the Contender before in threads that rated PrCs, and the consensus was that it is an underwhelming class. Definately not worthy of both a wasted-feat requirement AND the giving up of 1/2 spell progression.I mostly want the fun wrestling moves, not the extra-damage ones.From memory, I believe that most of the wrestling "maneuvers" I put in the Contender class should be available to anyone that grapples someone. If you want to wrestle, anyone should be able to wrestle - it shouldn't require a feat to trip or throw someone.Tail of the beast is better than Spiritual Weapon. That's why it's a 3rd level spell, as compared to 2nd.I could have sworn Bear's Heart was 4th level - scrap that spell if it isn't, I'm not fond of it, I couldn't think of one more appropriate.Barkskin has to be in the list - Sauropods had thick hide for protection. Shapechange is obvious - to be like your diety.Thunderstomp is actually underpowered in playtesting. Compare to Grease.Stomp feat  - have you ever trie to actually Overrun someone? It's once in a blue moon, and you suffer an AoO.That's playtested, also - talk to Heavy G.</blockquote>

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