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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 9249698" data-attributes="member: 6696971">Do you guys know what the easiest ways are to clear up your confusion?&nbsp; There are two of them:* Read the text and perform a robust textual analysis.* Run and play the games.Seriously, I do not understand why you both are involved in these conversations so much if you will not do either of those things?&nbsp; It makes absolutely no sense to me.&nbsp; I don't have any dog in any fight in games I don't run.&nbsp; Like zero dog in the fight.&nbsp; I don't have any curiosity about some games.&nbsp; So you do_not_see me involve myself in those conversations a single time...let alone over_and_over_and_over_and_over_and_over.And I definitely don't engage with participants who have run these games that I have no curiosity about (the kind of curiosity that triggers reading the texts with vigor and then running said games with effort and integrity) and tell them they give off a strong whiff of elitism for talking about how much they enjoy these games without bending the knee to the games that I like. You want to know why I don't engage with you guys?&nbsp; This is it.&nbsp; I don't have some super secret black hat that I'm hiding.&nbsp; I'm not a villain who is twirling my mustachio and petting my cat in the dark.&nbsp; But whether you guys intend it or not, your orientation to these conversations look like you're try to find my super secret lair where I'm wearing my black hat and petting my cat and twirling my mustachio in the dark. You are not going to find my super secret lair nor my black hat nor my cat nor my mustachio-twirling.&nbsp; I'm a normal dude that likes some games and likes to talk about them.&nbsp; And I'm not going to be compelled into telling you &quot;but your games are great too(!)&quot; every time I talk about these games.And if you want to change the playing field.&nbsp; If you want to change how I (I'm only speaking for me) orient to the two of you guys?&nbsp; Read the books and stop asking me (or others) to perform the textual analysis for you.&nbsp; Stop with this relentless, atomized inquisition approach to these conversations when you haven't even done the bare minimum to engage on the subject.&nbsp; And stop calling me elitist...even if just as a dog whistle...because you feel badly that I like some games that you don't like and, for whatever weird reason, that makes you feel &lt;whatever it is you feel that animates you to keep doing this...threatened?...I have no idea&gt; when the games that you like are_literally_90 + % of the cultural marketplace.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 9249698, member: 6696971"] Do you guys know what the easiest ways are to clear up your confusion? There are two of them: * Read the text and perform a robust textual analysis. * Run and play the games. Seriously, I do not understand why you both are involved in these conversations so much if you will not do either of those things? It makes absolutely no sense to me. I don't have any dog in any fight in games I don't run. Like zero dog in the fight. I don't have any curiosity about some games. So you do_not_see me involve myself in those conversations a single time...let alone over_and_over_and_over_and_over_and_over. And I definitely don't engage with participants who have run these games that I have no curiosity about (the kind of curiosity that triggers reading the texts with vigor and then running said games with effort and integrity) and tell them they give off a strong whiff of elitism for talking about how much they enjoy these games without bending the knee to the games that I like. You want to know why I don't engage with you guys? This is it. I don't have some super secret black hat that I'm hiding. I'm not a villain who is twirling my mustachio and petting my cat in the dark. But whether you guys intend it or not, your orientation to these conversations look like you're try to find my super secret lair where I'm wearing my black hat and petting my cat and twirling my mustachio in the dark. You are not going to find my super secret lair nor my black hat nor my cat nor my mustachio-twirling. I'm a normal dude that likes some games and likes to talk about them. And I'm not going to be compelled into telling you "but your games are great too(!)" every time I talk about these games. And if you want to change the playing field. If you want to change how I (I'm only speaking for me) orient to the two of you guys? Read the books and stop asking me (or others) to perform the textual analysis for you. Stop with this relentless, atomized inquisition approach to these conversations when you haven't even done the bare minimum to engage on the subject. And stop calling me elitist...even if just as a dog whistle...because you feel badly that I like some games that you don't like and, for whatever weird reason, that makes you feel <whatever it is you feel that animates you to keep doing this...threatened?...I have no idea> when the games that you like are_literally_90 + % of the cultural marketplace. [/QUOTE]

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