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Message: <blockquote data-quote="hawkeyefan" data-source="post: 9249707" data-attributes="member: 6785785">Okay... then expect any claims you make to potentially be argued. You like debate... then do so. Don't say that other people like to take things personally, and dodge backing up your claim. Back it up. What is it about the games that makes you claim the fiction they produce lacks verisimilitude? We have no examples of play from you that show that. We have several from [USER=42582]@pemerton[/USER] that counter it. My own experience with these games would also counter it. I'll also make a claim... the fiction produced by D&D tends to be very shallow compared to that produced by games like Blades in the Dark and Stonetop. D&D play lacks the breadth of experience and outcomes that these games allow. If you were to challenge this claim, I would be able to make arguments and provide actual examples of play that would support my claim. I don't necessarily doubt that you've tried these games. I doubt that the amount of time you've put in, and likely the effort based on your preconceived idea about them, is sufficient to have a very accurate view of the games. And no, it's not hard to accept that people may not enjoy what I enjoy. I have no issue at all with anyone not liking a game I like, and I expect the same in return. But what you don't see me do is make claims about games I have little to no experience with. I don't know jack about FATE... guess what I don't do? I have experience with GURPS that amounts to the same amount of experience you have with PbtA games. Guess how often I comment on GURPS games? So you think your assumptions based on the stated amount of experience should really hold water? I mean, you may have enough of a hunch from that amount of play to be like "this game is not for me", but beyond that, do you really expect that your claims are likely to be that accurate? So perhaps say something like "I'm not confident in my ability to use this game system to create plausible fiction" rather than "this game is not likely to produce plausible fiction". Place the blame, such as it is, with the appropriate party.</blockquote>

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