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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 9250736" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>In the same general territory, but particularly applicable to serial fiction such as RPGs, is <a href="http://lumpley.com/hardcore.html" target="_blank">this from Vincent Baker</a>:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong><u>A Small Thing About Suspense</u></strong></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">I have no criticism cred to back this up. Just amatuer observations. So kick my butt if you gotta.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Suspense doesn't come from uncertain outcomes.</strong></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">I have no doubt, not one shread of measly doubt, that Babe the pig is going to wow the sheepdog trial audience. Neither do you. But we're on the edge of our seats! What's up with that?</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Suspense comes from putting off the inevitable.</strong></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">What's up with that is, we know that Babe is going to win, but we don't know <em>what it will cost</em>.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Everybody with me still? If you're not, give it a try: watch a movie. Notice how the movie builds suspense: by putting complications between the protagonist and what we all know is coming. The protagonist has to buy victory, it's as straightforward as that. That's why the payoff at the end of the suspense is satisfying, after all, too: we're like <em>ah, finally</em>.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">What about RPGs?</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Yes, it can be suspenseful to not know whether your character will succeed or fail. I'm not going to dispute that. But what I absolutely do dispute is that that's the only or best way to get suspense in your gaming. In fact, and check this out, when GMs fudge die rolls in order to preserve or create suspense, it shows that suspense and uncertain outcomes are, in those circumstances, incompatible.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">So here's a better way to get suspense in gaming: put off the inevitable.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Acknowledge up front that the PCs are going to win, and never sweat it. Then use the dice to escalate, escalate, escalate. We all know the PCs are going to win. What will it cost them?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 9250736, member: 42582"] In the same general territory, but particularly applicable to serial fiction such as RPGs, is [URL='http://lumpley.com/hardcore.html']this from Vincent Baker[/URL]: [INDENT][B][u]A Small Thing About Suspense[/u][/B] I have no criticism cred to back this up. Just amatuer observations. So kick my butt if you gotta. [B]Suspense doesn't come from uncertain outcomes.[/B] I have no doubt, not one shread of measly doubt, that Babe the pig is going to wow the sheepdog trial audience. Neither do you. But we're on the edge of our seats! What's up with that? [B]Suspense comes from putting off the inevitable.[/B] What's up with that is, we know that Babe is going to win, but we don't know [I]what it will cost[/I]. Everybody with me still? If you're not, give it a try: watch a movie. Notice how the movie builds suspense: by putting complications between the protagonist and what we all know is coming. The protagonist has to buy victory, it's as straightforward as that. That's why the payoff at the end of the suspense is satisfying, after all, too: we're like [I]ah, finally[/I]. What about RPGs? Yes, it can be suspenseful to not know whether your character will succeed or fail. I'm not going to dispute that. But what I absolutely do dispute is that that's the only or best way to get suspense in your gaming. In fact, and check this out, when GMs fudge die rolls in order to preserve or create suspense, it shows that suspense and uncertain outcomes are, in those circumstances, incompatible. So here's a better way to get suspense in gaming: put off the inevitable. Acknowledge up front that the PCs are going to win, and never sweat it. Then use the dice to escalate, escalate, escalate. We all know the PCs are going to win. What will it cost them?[/INDENT] [/QUOTE]
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