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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Riastlin" data-source="post: 5295513" data-attributes="member: 94022">Getting back to the issue of Have I used them? (since I failed to answer it above), I have. One recurring villain that works well and is (kinda) human is the vampire.  Sure, vampires lost some of their bite in 4th Ed. imo, but they can still easily reapper.  The nice thing about vampires is that you can let the party fight them multiple times, even "beating" them, but still leave the villain with an out. However, as others have said, for a more traditional humanoid villain, the best approach is usually to let the PCs fight their organization.  Sure, they know that they are fighting the Dark Lord's organization, which means they are fighting him (or her), but they just don't get the chance to deal with the BBEG directly until near the end.</blockquote>