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<blockquote data-quote="Herremann the Wise" data-source="post: 5733235" data-attributes="member: 11300">I have both the 4e Red Box and the PF Beginner Box and I think you have nailed it in one. The red box feels like they have had a budget and they have stuck to it (while obviously cramming as much into that budget as they possibly could). The PF box feels like the authors have asked &quot;what do we need in this box to teach people how to play and get going straight out of the box?&quot; and then crammed exactly all of that into the box. More expensive but better at introducing complete novices in my opinion. As you say, the red box works perfectly as a stocking filler and just getting the brand &quot;out there&quot; again. I certainly don't think the 4e red box is quite as bad as many have made out although I would honestly have to say (ignoring the different rulesets) that the beginner box is superior in achieving its aim.Of concern is the fact that distributors are not putting an order in to WotC for this product. Why would they be dragging the chain in this regard?Best RegardsHerremann the Wise</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Herremann the Wise, post: 5733235, member: 11300"] I have both the 4e Red Box and the PF Beginner Box and I think you have nailed it in one. The red box feels like they have had a budget and they have stuck to it (while obviously cramming as much into that budget as they possibly could). The PF box feels like the authors have asked "what do we need in this box to teach people how to play and get going straight out of the box?" and then crammed exactly all of that into the box. More expensive but better at introducing complete novices in my opinion. As you say, the red box works perfectly as a stocking filler and just getting the brand "out there" again. I certainly don't think the 4e red box is quite as bad as many have made out although I would honestly have to say (ignoring the different rulesets) that the beginner box is superior in achieving its aim. Of concern is the fact that distributors are [I]not [/I]putting an order in to WotC for this product. Why would they be dragging the chain in this regard? Best Regards Herremann the Wise [/QUOTE]

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