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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5733732" data-attributes="member: 82106">D&D Starter Set (Red Box) is $12. PF BB Admittedly you can find for $28. So really, I'm not exactly far off... HotF* $12.4e DM's Kit $16So, I can get the PF BB for $28 and I can get a DM's Kit and a HotF* for $28. Imagine that!  Your prices are a BIT different from what you can actually find, see above. There's nothing at all disingenuous about my comparison, no more than there is comparing the $12 Red Box to the $28 PF BB. And when we compare the $28 worth of Essentials Product I can get with the $28 worth of PF product I can get there's a surprisingly similar value there! The DM's Kit also has a fairly decent number of monsters in it if you look. Not all you need to play in the long run, but It will get you through a couple levels of play. It isn't like the BB has some huge monster compendium in it either...Well, here's my analysis. The PF BB gives you 5 levels of play. DMK+HotF* gives you 30 levels of play. I don't know how many monsters the PF BB gives you, they don't say exactly, but in general you're getting an abbreviated set of rules. There are SOME bits of 4e you'll be missing too, rituals mainly, and you'll certainly need more monsters to run 4e at some point fairly soon, but again I don't know that this is not also true with the BB. Each one will give you basically a few core classes and races. The 4e Red Box itself? As I said before, it is $12, so comparing it to the PF BB flat out is apples and oranges and I see no reason not to stick with that opinion. There's not an EXACT equivalent way to get exactly the same stuff for exactly the same price with the 2 systems, but the RB DOES serve a useful purpose in being a cheaper, and albeit quite a bit less complete, intro. Honestly it is fine to like one better than the other, but to say that WotC 'blew it' or did a crappy job on the RB as some people have claimed is not really at all fair. Give them a $36 price point instead of a $20 price point and presumably they can supply basically the same material. They just chose a different product strategy. Maybe that strategy is WRONG, but there's no way to know if it is or not. The execution of the RB overall was pretty good. Neither it nor the PF BB has EXACTLY compatible rules with later products and that was AFAICT the single real criticism of the RB. I think the RB could be improved some, but it certainly isn't a bad product.</blockquote>

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