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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 5733769" data-attributes="member: 48965">Actually since we're going this route it's $23 at amazon.com...[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Pathfinder-Roleplaying-Game-Beginner-Box/dp/1601253729/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1321648342&sr=8-1"]Amazon.com: Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Beginner Box (9781601253729): Jason Bulmahn, Sean K Reynolds, Wayne Reynolds: Books[/ame] So I was actually trying to be fair by using the actual MSRP. so again... it's still cheaper and not 3.5 times the price of the red box... so yeah you were far off.   It is a little disingenuous (ignoring the gigantic exaggeration of PF BB being 3.5 times the price of the red box) when I can find a cheaper price easily by going to the major internet online discount seller, which I assumed if you are comparing cheapest prices instead of MSRP you would have done as well. That's why the easiest and most fair route would have been to stick to MSRP.  As to the monster issue, the reality of the matter is that the PF BB gives you enough monsters,magic items (which I'd be willing to bet are even more than in the DM Kit/HoF), etc. to cover 5 levels of play, along with a downloadable enhancement with even more monsters, magic items, etc... and then you can hit the PFSRD for even more monsters that are free... again bang for buck seems to go to the PF BB    You'll also need more magic items (MME) to run 4e from those two books... so add MV, and MME, see how the price keeps going up? It's still cheaper to go PF BB + core + monsters from PFSRD.   No the single real criticism of the Red Box was, IME, it's low play and replay value... of course there were many others surrounding the product that were just as valid.   we can just agree to disagree as far as it's quality since you are certainly entitled to your opinion, personally I prefer books with covers to paper pamphlets, a reusable flip mat to paper maps, enough levels to provide months of play andbe  re-playable numerous times as well as stand-up's to tokens. I mean you can run an entire mini-campaign from the BB.  In the end I voted with my dollars. I bought one red box and thought it was crap... I've purchased 1 PF BB for myself and after seeing the quality and utility of the product I went ahead and purchased 3 more PF BB for my nieces and nephews this christmas confident that they would get much more out of these than they would the RB. WotC honestly made it easy for me to decide which way to go this christmas season.</blockquote>

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