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<blockquote data-quote="SteveC" data-source="post: 5734263" data-attributes="member: 9053">Where oh where is my eye rolling smiley?In other words: yes, I know some folks might love Pathfinder, but we're talking two very different products here: a cheap point of introduction to the hobby, that was initially sold in retail stores, which banks on a known product (D&amp;D) and a nostalgia factor.The Pathfinder Beginner Box is a VERY nice looking product, but it's price point is different, it isn't available in conventional retail, and it has no nostalgia factor whatsoever. Even if it was at Walmart, who's going to walk by and recognize Pathfinder anything, unless you're already a gamer?Both are nice products, in their own way. If you like Pathfinder, I'm sure you'll absolutely LOVE the BB, and you'll have no need for the Red Box. Funny, that's exactly the opposite of my experiences, almost as if different people have different expectations and interests, which color their expectations on what makes a good product.Just as a simple example: I had an old friend from college come into town and we saw each other for the first time in 20 years. He was so excited to tell me about the Red Box, and how he had picked it up on a lark last year in Target, and introduced his 10 year old son about D&amp;D. He was very excited that he was showing his son the same thing that had been so important to him at that age. Has he ever heard of Pathfinder? As he was out of the hobby since college, he's never heard of it.Different products, with different goals! And I completely think that WotC should revise the Red Box and keep it in print.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="SteveC, post: 5734263, member: 9053"] Where oh where is my eye rolling smiley? In other words: yes, I know some folks might love Pathfinder, but we're talking two very different products here: a cheap point of introduction to the hobby, that was initially sold in retail stores, which banks on a known product (D&D) and a nostalgia factor. The Pathfinder Beginner Box is a VERY nice looking product, but it's price point is different, it isn't available in conventional retail, and it has no nostalgia factor whatsoever. Even if it was at Walmart, who's going to walk by and recognize Pathfinder anything, unless you're already a gamer? Both are nice products, in their own way. If you like Pathfinder, I'm sure you'll absolutely LOVE the BB, and you'll have no need for the Red Box. Funny, that's exactly the opposite of my experiences, almost as if different people have different expectations and interests, which color their expectations on what makes a good product. Just as a simple example: I had an old friend from college come into town and we saw each other for the first time in 20 years. He was so excited to tell me about the Red Box, and how he had picked it up on a lark last year in Target, and introduced his 10 year old son about D&D. He was very excited that he was showing his son the same thing that had been so important to him at that age. Has he ever heard of Pathfinder? As he was out of the hobby since college, he's never heard of it. Different products, with different goals! And I completely think that WotC should revise the Red Box and keep it in print. [/QUOTE]

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