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<blockquote data-quote="nnms" data-source="post: 5308774" data-attributes="member: 83293">I tacked that onto the very end of a paragraph and you think I was putting that forward as an argument?My argument is that magic items don't matter for levels 1 &amp; 2 like they do for levels 4 and on when monster defenses and hit points start to truly outpace a PC that doesn't have enhancement bonuses.And if you replayed a few times with just the red box, the 7 magic items being *the 7 magic items* might well become part of the fun.I completely agree with the above.&nbsp; A tiny shopping list, a tiny magic items section and a tiny character creation summary would be very, very nice.That said, I think the red box is complete as it is.&nbsp; A DM *can* make adventures with it.&nbsp; With the meagre skill training and feat choices as well as a few build choices, you can make well, well beyond 16 pre-gens.I would love it if the free extra online solo adventure had a shopping section.&nbsp; That way people would atleast get some of that, even if they have to go online for it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="nnms, post: 5308774, member: 83293"] I tacked that onto the very end of a paragraph and you think I was putting that forward as an argument? My argument is that magic items don't matter for levels 1 & 2 like they do for levels 4 and on when monster defenses and hit points start to truly outpace a PC that doesn't have enhancement bonuses. And if you replayed a few times with just the red box, the 7 magic items being *the 7 magic items* might well become part of the fun. I completely agree with the above. A tiny shopping list, a tiny magic items section and a tiny character creation summary would be very, very nice. That said, I think the red box is complete as it is. A DM *can* make adventures with it. With the meagre skill training and feat choices as well as a few build choices, you can make well, well beyond 16 pre-gens. I would love it if the free extra online solo adventure had a shopping section. That way people would atleast get some of that, even if they have to go online for it. [/QUOTE]

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