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<blockquote data-quote="Primal" data-source="post: 5310250" data-attributes="member: 30678">Because that may be evident to you or me, but not to a 13-year old newbie DM; how could he know which 'Essentials' books he should get to find the proficiency bonus for a short sword? Or which books contain the treasure parcels? Furthermore, if this box is supposed to contain all you need to run 4E adventures (and equipping your characters is part of that) I don't think he *should* need to buy another book to resolve something like this. And, yet, to add to a newbie DM's confusion, it appears that the 'Red Box' is not fully compatible with the 'Essentials' (e.g. the thief class).I ran several low-level campaigns with the &quot;old&quot; Red Box back in the day; it didn't give me colorful maps or tokens, but the *rules* contained pretty much everything I needed as a DM (or a player). Heck, I even ran a couple of nostalgia-laden BD&amp;D campaigns ten years ago and it still felt like a complete package. Based on what I've read, this new Red Box does not meet the same standards in my book; I had thought to buy it for my nephew, but I'm not so sure anymore. It's a shame that WoTC seems to have dropped the ball on this one. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown&nbsp; &nbsp; :("&nbsp; data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /> I guess I'll just dig out the old Red Box and pass it on to him.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Primal, post: 5310250, member: 30678"] Because that may be evident to you or me, but not to a 13-year old newbie DM; how could he know which 'Essentials' books he should get to find the proficiency bonus for a short sword? Or which books contain the treasure parcels? Furthermore, if this box is supposed to contain all you need to run 4E adventures (and equipping your characters is part of that) I don't think he *should* need to buy another book to resolve something like this. And, yet, to add to a newbie DM's confusion, it appears that the 'Red Box' is not fully compatible with the 'Essentials' (e.g. the thief class). I ran several low-level campaigns with the "old" Red Box back in the day; it didn't give me colorful maps or tokens, but the *rules* contained pretty much everything I needed as a DM (or a player). Heck, I even ran a couple of nostalgia-laden BD&D campaigns ten years ago and it still felt like a complete package. Based on what I've read, this new Red Box does not meet the same standards in my book; I had thought to buy it for my nephew, but I'm not so sure anymore. It's a shame that WoTC seems to have dropped the ball on this one. :( I guess I'll just dig out the old Red Box and pass it on to him. [/QUOTE]

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