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<blockquote data-quote="Kobold Boots" data-source="post: 5312891" data-attributes="member: 92239">Oh Ye of 30pt. font.. you're perfectly clear.&nbsp; You're just maligned.1. The Mentzer Red Box from 1983 was complete because it was the entry point to an entire basic line of goods that spanned 4 other boxed sets leading up to Immortal.2. The Mearls Red Box from now is not complete because it's not supposed to be.&nbsp; It's a gateway to the existing Essentials + Core experience.So anyone complaining about the 2010 Red Box not being complete and forcing you to go to the FLGS for more books is simply not thinking clearly or out of the box (pun intended)1. I had to run to the Child World in Medford MA with my 12 bucks to get Expert, then had to run to Excalibur Hobbies in Malden MA with another 15 to get Companion, and then I ended up going all over the place to get AD&amp;D books cause I got tired of the Basic line.&nbsp; Note that the differences between Basic D&amp;D and Advanced D&amp;D are time consuming.&nbsp; So was moving to the companion set once you figured out name level stuff.2. So if I get 2010 red box, I'd need to spend my money on Heroes of the Fallen Lands and whatever else comes out.&nbsp; The differences between Red Box essentials and essentials and core 4e are time consuming.No real difference.&nbsp; Except one that you point out often.&nbsp; You'd like more group stuff in the new red box for the price tag of 20 bucks.&nbsp; I paid 12 bucks in 1983 or so for my first red box.&nbsp; Google tells me that the inflationary value of 12 dollars from 1983 in 2010 dollars is: 26.55.1st Ed AD&amp;D books used to cost me between $15.00-$18.00 in 1989.&nbsp; That's now $26.88 - $32.26&nbsp; I can rationalize the loss in value due to increase in art and presentation.I didn't get counters with my original red box, and I had to color in the dice myself <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; To me that's good value.Especially since no one in their right mind is going to buy a tabletop RPG anything these days and be &quot;beating down doors&quot; to get the next book.&nbsp; Video games are a deep and immersive form of entertainment now.&nbsp; Kids are tech enabled and conversant.&nbsp; There's no such thing as a &quot;boring rainy day Saturday with no cool options&quot; anymore.Best, KB</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kobold Boots, post: 5312891, member: 92239"] Oh Ye of 30pt. font.. you're perfectly clear. You're just maligned. 1. The Mentzer Red Box from 1983 was complete because it was the entry point to an entire basic line of goods that spanned 4 other boxed sets leading up to Immortal. 2. The Mearls Red Box from now is not complete because it's not supposed to be. It's a gateway to the existing Essentials + Core experience. So anyone complaining about the 2010 Red Box not being complete and forcing you to go to the FLGS for more books is simply not thinking clearly or out of the box (pun intended) 1. I had to run to the Child World in Medford MA with my 12 bucks to get Expert, then had to run to Excalibur Hobbies in Malden MA with another 15 to get Companion, and then I ended up going all over the place to get AD&D books cause I got tired of the Basic line. Note that the differences between Basic D&D and Advanced D&D are time consuming. So was moving to the companion set once you figured out name level stuff. 2. So if I get 2010 red box, I'd need to spend my money on Heroes of the Fallen Lands and whatever else comes out. The differences between Red Box essentials and essentials and core 4e are time consuming. No real difference. Except one that you point out often. You'd like more group stuff in the new red box for the price tag of 20 bucks. I paid 12 bucks in 1983 or so for my first red box. Google tells me that the inflationary value of 12 dollars from 1983 in 2010 dollars is: 26.55. 1st Ed AD&D books used to cost me between $15.00-$18.00 in 1989. That's now $26.88 - $32.26 I can rationalize the loss in value due to increase in art and presentation. I didn't get counters with my original red box, and I had to color in the dice myself :) To me that's good value. Especially since no one in their right mind is going to buy a tabletop RPG anything these days and be "beating down doors" to get the next book. Video games are a deep and immersive form of entertainment now. Kids are tech enabled and conversant. There's no such thing as a "boring rainy day Saturday with no cool options" anymore. Best, KB [/QUOTE]

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