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<blockquote data-quote="Dragon Snack" data-source="post: 3610340" data-attributes="member: 9810">I started out with a Warmage in the group I ran through it.&nbsp; He was VERY effective and the player could have used him even more effectively.&nbsp; He took care of some encounters all by himself, but he also could have actually taken care of other encounters if he hadn't already blown through his spells and &quot;Sudden&quot; feats.&nbsp; He did manage to get separated and taken out though...Speaking of which, the origional Cleric was taken out by a random encounter (the random encounters can be VERY deadly as well) and the party managed to survive on scavenged potions and a &quot;Cleric on a stick&quot; (healing wand) for a long time (until a new player joined the group).&nbsp; So while it's counter-intuitive, a Cleric isn't a necessity if you're willing (and able, depending on how stingy your DM is with wands) to spend resources on consumables.It's tough, but it doesn't have to be deadly (and I'm saying this as a DM who took out 4 PCs, plus another 5 in the TPK, and had a few PCs saved at -9 during the adventure).Don't be afraid to retreat.&nbsp; Do you hear an echo?&nbsp; There's a reason for that.That's a tough call.&nbsp; A lot would depend on the other characters in the party, since the Bard can't cover all the Rogues bases.&nbsp; It could be done though and there are definitely chances for a Bard to shine.Minor spoiler/metagame info (it won't ruin the adventure for you, but it may be more than you want to know):[spoiler]There is a Bard that the adventure actually says will join the party as a cohort if someone has Leadership, so you would be able to cover the Bard role that way instead of dedicating one of the 4 PC spots to it.[/spoiler]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dragon Snack, post: 3610340, member: 9810"] I started out with a Warmage in the group I ran through it. He was VERY effective [i]and[/i] the player could have used him even more effectively. He took care of some encounters all by himself, but he also could have actually taken care of other encounters if he hadn't already blown through his spells and "Sudden" feats. He did manage to get separated and taken out though... Speaking of which, the origional Cleric was taken out by a random encounter (the random encounters can be VERY deadly as well) and the party managed to survive on scavenged potions and a "Cleric on a stick" (healing wand) for a long time (until a new player joined the group). So while it's counter-intuitive, a Cleric isn't a necessity if you're willing (and able, depending on how stingy your DM is with wands) to spend resources on consumables. It's tough, but it doesn't have to be deadly (and I'm saying this as a DM who took out 4 PCs, plus another 5 in the TPK, and had a few PCs saved at -9 during the adventure). Don't be afraid to retreat. Do you hear an echo? There's a reason for that. That's a tough call. A lot would depend on the other characters in the party, since the Bard can't cover all the Rogues bases. It could be done though and there are definitely chances for a Bard to shine. Minor spoiler/metagame info (it won't ruin the adventure for you, but it may be more than you want to know): [spoiler]There is a Bard that the adventure actually says will join the party as a cohort if someone has Leadership, so you would be able to cover the Bard role that way instead of dedicating one of the 4 PC spots to it.[/spoiler] [/QUOTE]

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