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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8488343" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>I don't think that's inherently more useful but I often discuss Time of the Dragon, the 1989 boxed set which introduced the Taladas setting, and which is an amazing example for discussions because it both contains some really "ahead of its time" stuff, and some quite problematic stuff, and the art is hilariously waaaaaaaaaaaaay more problematic than the text, even as a kid I thought some of the art was a bit... inappropriate. Like the steppe barbarian galloping away with a naked lady draped over his horse, or a bunch of hooded big-nosed gnomes carrying a very pale half-clad unconscious lady above them (!!!).</p><p></p><p>These are some of the few illustrations of women in the main books too. Despite the text actually have a lot of discussion of female characters, including some cultures where for example only women are allowed to become wizards (the same culture also features probably the first neutral or positive exploration of transgender identification in D&D, as it notes that someone born male can identify as female and live/dress as a woman, and be treated as one, and will be allowed to become a wizard).</p><p></p><p>Wow in fact looking through the main book (not the cards that came with it), for women we have:</p><p></p><p>3x cooking in heavy clothing and headdress</p><p>1x unconscious and naked and being carried off by steppe horseman</p><p>1x unconscious and half-clad being carried off by big-nosed gnomes</p><p>1x unconscious in bikini in faintly suggestive pose in front of Mind-Flayer</p><p>1x handing out food/drink at a market</p><p>1x being harassed by some guy and clearly not liking it</p><p>2x actual adventurer with weapon and everything! (both right at end of book)</p><p></p><p>This is compared to dozens, maybe over a hundred male characters being pictured, at least half of them armed and competent-looking.</p><p></p><p>The text is much better, as noted, but in 1989 I guess the art wasn't keeping up with the text (it must be said I love the style of the art, I just wish it was so... yikes).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8488343, member: 18"] I don't think that's inherently more useful but I often discuss Time of the Dragon, the 1989 boxed set which introduced the Taladas setting, and which is an amazing example for discussions because it both contains some really "ahead of its time" stuff, and some quite problematic stuff, and the art is hilariously waaaaaaaaaaaaay more problematic than the text, even as a kid I thought some of the art was a bit... inappropriate. Like the steppe barbarian galloping away with a naked lady draped over his horse, or a bunch of hooded big-nosed gnomes carrying a very pale half-clad unconscious lady above them (!!!). These are some of the few illustrations of women in the main books too. Despite the text actually have a lot of discussion of female characters, including some cultures where for example only women are allowed to become wizards (the same culture also features probably the first neutral or positive exploration of transgender identification in D&D, as it notes that someone born male can identify as female and live/dress as a woman, and be treated as one, and will be allowed to become a wizard). Wow in fact looking through the main book (not the cards that came with it), for women we have: 3x cooking in heavy clothing and headdress 1x unconscious and naked and being carried off by steppe horseman 1x unconscious and half-clad being carried off by big-nosed gnomes 1x unconscious in bikini in faintly suggestive pose in front of Mind-Flayer 1x handing out food/drink at a market 1x being harassed by some guy and clearly not liking it 2x actual adventurer with weapon and everything! (both right at end of book) This is compared to dozens, maybe over a hundred male characters being pictured, at least half of them armed and competent-looking. The text is much better, as noted, but in 1989 I guess the art wasn't keeping up with the text (it must be said I love the style of the art, I just wish it was so... yikes). [/QUOTE]
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